On Friday morning, cellphone footage originating from Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agent Jonathan Ross showing the murder of Minneapolis mother and wife Renee Nicole Good was leaked to right-wing media. The new footage conclusively demonstrates that Ross deliberately positioned himself in front of Good’s vehicle to justify murdering her.
Sanewashing: the old videos clearly showed the murder was in cold blood. I strongly oppose this capitulation to the right’s framing that there was any ambiguity to begin with.
100%. Same for Silverio Villegas-Gonzalez in Chicago. The guy tried driving away from an illegal stop and they executed him.
Somewhat unrelated, but
That whole thing (person getting stopped and in his case EXECUTED for simply being of the “wrong” race) reminds me of this episode of Fresh Prince of Bel-Air. While it was nothing new to the black community in the US (or anyone with their eyes open I guess), I think for a lot of people sheltered from these issues it would’ve been eye opening. Personally I grew up in a very white country, in a small town, so by my teenage years I’d probably SEEN a few black people in real life, but never talked to one. Discovered Fresh Prince when I was about 13 or 14 so it might actually have been one of the first pieces of media I’d seen that actually kinda showed the systemic racism issue to me. Later of course I saw all kinds of news articles and discussion online.
One would think that in the span of 35 years (that’s how long ago this episode aired, it was Oct 1990), things get better, society gets more educated and tolerant… But it’s worse now. Way worse. I’m gonna have to blame Murdoch media and the complete disembowelment of the American education system for this one.
People are suddenly acting like the old videos don’t even exist. I had to watch them because people refuse to be honest and you have to see shit for yourself.
I’m now pissed that I was made to watch those videos and pissed that they’re gaslighting that they suddenly don’t exist and/or matter.
This clip shows that he walks in front of the car, and then approaches as she’s already in motion, before killing her. And it shows the dog. It is insanely damning. And then you can compare it to other angles that show him a good two feet away with his first shot.
Ok… We knew all of this already. I don’t care if the video adds his voice saying “I’m going to kill you now only because I can” we had enough information to make this assessment already.
I’m starting to think their weird mishandling of evidence and making these blatant lies about what happened are purposely being made to create rage and incite riots. Why else would they release his video? It’s obvious from the first few videos that he was a murderer, other than to piss off the people, why would you lie AND release more evidence against him?
From what little I have seen, right wing outlets were interpreting the video as proof the officer was hit by the car because of the way the phone gets jostled at the end. You also can’t see in this video exactly when he draws his gun, or how the shooter is positioned. It’s damning when combined with the other videos, but on its own it’s a lot less clear.
And they also see it as proof that these were “agitators” obstructing “law enforcement” based on the confrontational tone with the woman outside the vehicle. They want to frame the issue as law enforcement vs criminals, rioters and radical domestic terrorists. They want to blame the victim and undercut the narrative that this was an innocent bystander.
Obviously a sane person would recognize that it doesn’t matter if the victim was politically active or even obstructing police, it’s still murder. But these aren’t moral, rational people and they aren’t trying to persuade an audience with legal arguments, just feeding the US vs them mentality.
They want to chip away at the support bit by bit, targeting different messages to try to overcome the natural sympathy people that center right people might have for a pretty white mother with toys stuffed in her glovebox. So they show her wife a lowly lesbian “feeemale” being uppity to a white male authority figure, “justifying” his response.
I’ve also seen attacks on her fitness as a mother (“her responsibility was keeping herself safe for her children” as if simply being at a protest is not a place for anyone with a family) and deliberately using less attractive photos or photos that emphasize her queerness to cut away at those biases.
her responsibility was keeping herself safe for her children
They can expand this even further to try to discourage people from being active. Anything to keep protests down. She was doing what she thought was best for the future, for her daughter (and other children), and she was being what American should mean.
Don’t let any of the personal attacks or questions on motives detract from the blatant murder.
Yeah jeez, she’s protesting to keep her children safe AND everyone else’s (even the right). Seems like a damn good mother to me
Maybe they are just really arrogant and want to see how far they can go? They can literally say anything, despite what video evidence shows and people are still believing them.
Or they are still testing how far they can lie with actual video evidence that says otherwise. You know Ministry of Truth style.
So one thing that I learned from Timothy Snyder is that one of the critical things that leads to political violence is humiliation. This is something that the trump regime is really doubling down on, especially lately, through multiple different channels. They’ve already made clear, explicitly, that they want to cancel the midterm elections. Inciting violence is the means to that end. They’re celebrating her death and flaunting power, ratcheting up violence and amplifying instances of violent outcomes in media. They’ve even fixed their own agent in hopes that someone will try something stupid.
In this sense, Good’s shooting or something like that was inevitable, they’re seizing this opportunity for all it’s worth. They were expecting this and were ready to act. They engineered the situation.
They’ve been pissed about vehicle blocking at ICE raids, the Puppy Killer talked about it on detail in her rationalization speech.
If we could properly investigate this, we would find out that the agents were told to watch for vehicle blocking, and make an example, and send a message. That’s why they obviously deliberately escalated the situation, and unhesitatingly shot her. They were under orders.
So who sent those orders? Puppy Killer? PeeWee Himmler? Trump himself?
Thanks for the additional context, and yeah, it seems clear that the murder was actively working to orchestrate such a situation.
And it’s so blatantly obvious too. They think they’re crafty when they’re just fascist lite, all the fascism, no competence at all.
Agreed 100%, same with the invasion of Venezuela, releasing ~1% of the Epstein files, and beefing up threats to invade Greenland amongst myriad known and unknown horrors and violations.
They want us mad enough to give them reason to cancel the midterms via a declaration of martial law that will last until those of us that oppose them either step in line or die by their hands. Obviously this will run far past when those of us left standing recall, ‘Today would have been Election Day.’ … ‘Wasn’t he only supposed to be president for four years?’ And that’s to assume we have the luxury to track what day and year it is since we’ll be too busy fighting and dying for it to matter much.
I would really like to believe that I’m going overboard in my conceptualization of our future, but I can’t afford to anymore.
So the video clearly shows her trying to drive away and the ICE agent intentionally going from the back of her car to the front as she is trying to get out of there.
IMO, if someone intentionally walks in front of a car trying to drive away safely, your in the wrong and it shouldn’t even be considered manslaughter if you get run over.
Not only that but there are training documents from 04-07 proving that officers were using standing in front of a moving vehicle as an escalation tactic and they have been deliberately training law enforcement officers to stand clear of vehicles. Well guess whose career stretches back to when that was a common escalation tactic?
Not only that but there are training documents from 04-07 proving that officers were using standing in front of a moving vehicle as an escalation tactic
Which means if they want to escalate until they get to shoot someone like they want to, they know what to do.
If she actually just drove forward and didn’t try to avoid the murderer, she’d probably be alive RN.
He shot her through the driver side window. He essentially put the gun through the open window and pulled the final shot. I’m no expert but cars don’t move sideways at 0.1 mph.
That was from his first shot. His second and third were right through the driver side window. Grow up.
I am a grown-up. That’s why I believe running cars at federal employees is no more justified than running them at dogs in the street. I hate ICE…but pretending this incident is okay because it’s politically convenient is an insult to everyone’s intelligence.
So much of that, you’re really just losing everyones attentation and potential allies. Propaganda like this is why we keep losing elections to idiots like trump
If she had been trying to hit the agent a lot of people would say she was justified. ICE goons are murderers and abusers and I would fear for my safety if they tried to open my car door. But either way, he was never in danger and he murdered her for bruising his ego.
This is mob violence logic. You decide someone is bad, then justify anything done to them.
Saying she would have been justified to hit an ICE agent with a car because you hate ICE is the same thinking used to excuse every atrocity. If violence is acceptable against people you fear or dislike, then there is no moral standard at all.
If ICE agent Jonathan Ross’s life was truly in danger we would see all three bullet holes in the front windshield but that’s clearly not the case. Looks like 2nd degree murder to me.
Typical lose one argument, so try and create a new one
Edit: It’s not logical to play chicken with a car thats a few feet from your body. Vehicles can maim or kill…fear in that situation is a normal human response.
If you think it’s safe or reasonable, flip the situation. Step in front of a couple of SUVs and tell us you wouldn’t fear for your life. Then explain how you reached that mindset.
Until then, pretending this isn’t dangerous ignores reality.
If Nicole Renee Good actually used her vehicle as a weapon she might still be alive today. She was murdered by feds while peacefully practicing her rights.
Do ICE not use body cams?
Of course not. They drive around in unmarked vans and refuse to show ID, why would they wear body cams?
I’m not surprised, but I thought body cams was mandatory in the US.
Laws aren’t being followed currently
It’s a state by state requirement. There’s no federal body cam requirement.
ICE are required by DHS policy released in 2023 to wear body cams. Whether they actually are or not is anyone’s guess.
Body cam footage is hard to tamper with. Cellphones and GoPro videos however can be easily deleted. I wouldn’t be surprised if, despite policy, DHS agents are being unofficially discouraged from using body cams. Just like the administration is using Signal rather than their oversight-friendly official apps.
Not even that–it’s jurisdiction by jurisdiction.
They’re not police. They have even less legal power than police. They’re trying to intimidate.
It looks like half the officers have bought their equipment from etsy. They aren’t exactly prone to want to wear cameras showing off their thuggery.
They wear masks to hide their identity. Why would they wear a device designed for accountability?
The only thing that will happen is, ICE will double down on violence. We’re not far off from machine-gunning protesters.
This is going to sound weird… I actually had a ‘vision’ of this over a year ago.
It was at a parade or celebration. In a large park with short trees. 4th of July maybe. There were cannons. Flags. Picnics. Families.
When in the back of the massive crowd the maga uncovered the weapons and opened fire. Mowing down thousands.
I then saw streets become hills and valleys of corpses.
The Book of masterofb001, chapter 4, verse 7…
If ICE agent Jonathan Ross was really struck by a 4,000 lbs vehicle his ass would be on the ground. That dude kept his balance, grabbed his gun before the car started to move, and murdered that woman on video.
This is how they treat white US citizens when they know they’re being filmed. Imagine how they treat immigrants and people of color in their terror camps.
And was videoing with his phone on his other hand.
I’m so confused. The video clearly makes this less cold blooded and a tragedy of errors. Vehicles are weapons and driving away with people walking around your car who also have weapons is a recipe for this type of thing. There are whole conversations on this site about people saying they need more self defense because of this, but they should also recognize that if they were in this situation, they would’ve seen this as a defensible act to protect themselves. Politics aside, this is a good lesson around awareness when trying to protest something and antagonism. We literally watched extremists kill people with cars and are mad about this. If the person was a maga guy, the narrative would’ve been that he got what was coming to him for being dangerous.
Fuck right off. He did absolutely nothing to stop the vehicle. The vehicle moved forward. He was unharmed.
He was not in any danger.
Yeah I’m not an expert, but I’m pretty sure he could have shot the tires? Like. Disable the vehicle, don’t kill the driver. They had plenty of other vehicles around they could have boxed her in with. I’m not saying that boxing her in and ripping her out of her car is okay, but it sure is infinitely better than murder.
I don’t know where people got this idea that you can shoot tires to stop a car. Your car will go a long way with a flat tire. And it will go a long way on just the rim. And it will go a long way dragging the rotor, knuckle and even the fender on the ground. There is two ways to stop a vehicle with a gun. One is get lucky enough to hit a critical component, like the computer or the throttle control. Two, is to use a big enough gun to make an inspection hole in the block.
I’m not saying that it will make the car stop, but will sure as hell make it harder to get away.
He walked towards her car and was close enough to see she wasn’t armed. (Both of her hands are on the steering wheel and she doesn’t have time to stop steering to grab a gun. And there’s two men very, very near her car watching her every move.)
He went around the back of her car, possibly to see what bumper stickers she had on it. A tactic ‘police’ use to see what they are dealing with.
He then moved his phone from his right hand to his left so he could pull his gun out. You can see this hand swap in his own video.
He stood in front of a moving car. Which anyone of decent intelligence knows not to do. Christ, little kids are taught to stay out of the way of moving vehicles. AND law enforcement are trained not to do this.
The only reasons to do that are immense stupidity or to escalate the situation.She was turning away from him as she drove away, relatively slowly. There was no wheel spinning. This wasn’t an iraqi insurgent hell bent on blowing up a road block.
He pulled his gun instantly. He was itching to get his gun out.
He shot her in the face and head without hesitation. Why didn’t he shoot the tyres, or engine? Why didn’t he shoot her arms, or torso. Why aim for the head of an unarmed person?
The real question is why shoot at all?
Police aren’t supposed to just execute bad guys that are trying to escape, so they are definitely not supposed to shoot at unarmed civilians that are pulling out of their own driveway.After he shot her he calls her a “fucking bitch”.
There’s no point in this that he’s not fucking things up. He went out that day to murder someone.
You are a lying piece of shit, Tony.
He intentionally walked in front of her car while drawing his weapon to fire. No hesitation, carrying a cell phone and gun and still wasn’t enough to cause anything but a stumble. He called her a fucking bitch and casually walked away.
This was murder, cold blooded, intentional and you are an asshole. Go find somewhere else to suck up to authority.
Vehicles are weapons
No, they aren’t. They can be used as a weapon, but they are not weapons. Fuck off with this shit.
driving away with people walking around your car who also have weapons is a recipe for this type of thing.
Are you suggesting that people should just open the door of their car for any armed thug? If she had been shot for driving away from a gang, would you be blaming her still? Obviously not. Fuck off with this shit
If the person was a maga guy, the narrative would’ve been that he got what was coming to him for being dangerous.
That’s because MAGA is inherently stupid and violent. They get the blame for running people over because they frequently try to run people over. They aren’t civilized, they’re shit-throwing chimps.
See : James Alex Fields and Heather Heyer.
Quit making excuses for you fondness of boot-licking.
