• Zink@programming.dev
    152·
    3 hours ago

    I am not writing this to shit on them, but I have to appreciate the irony in the situation. Something about a communist community getting messed up by lapses in individual responsibility, or an authoritarian leaning community getting messed up by fuckups in leadership.

  • jagged_circle@feddit.nlEnglish
    3·
    2 hours ago

    Serious question: if this happened to a popular federated instance (say Lemmy.world) and it got bought by someone malicious, what’s the worst they could do to my Lemmy feed and the Lemmy community in general?

    • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.worldEnglish
      73·
      3 hours ago

      They went through ban wave after ban wave and even their own internal dev team got burned out on the drama. I can’t say I’m surprised by this, but its the inevitable attrition that happens when you eat your own tail for years on end.

      • alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml
        73·
        2 hours ago

        The purges were absolutely necessary for hexbear to provide a safe space for marginalized people.

        I thought mandatory pronouns were dumb, but I was instantly proven wrong by the number of rabid transphobes who immediately identified themselves.

        • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.worldEnglish
          22·
          2 hours ago

          The purges were absolutely necessary for hexbear to provide a safe space for marginalized people.

          Hedging new users (particularly the troll repeat offenders) in order to curb the worst impulses of Reddit Liberals was necessary. There were a number of pitches and proposals for how to do that, but none of them manifested. So it was left to the whims of any particular admin at any particular moment, leading to users getting perma-banned, appealed, reinstated, and then banned again.

          Then you’d see people picked off for random heated arguments in the comments that had nothing to do with marginalized people. Being on the wrong side of DSA on any given day, liking/disliking a particular politician (be it Warren or Sanders or Jill Stein or Claudia De la Cruz), or even just getting into arguments over the benefits of electoralism or entryism generally speaking got people zapped. Any kind of ill-informed take on Israel/Palestine was bannable. Fedjacketing was common-place. And the degree to which the Report button was used in place of the (disabled) downvote button could not be overstated.

          This created a ton of work on admins/mods. And the workload, combined with the development/maintenance needs on the site, ultimately killed activity in the development channel.

          I thought mandatory pronouns were dumb, but I was instantly proven wrong by the number of rabid transphobes who immediately identified themselves.

          It wasn’t the rabid transphobes who did the site in. Go back through the modlogs and you’ll discover how many accounts were removed entirely because a given mod used the ban action as a way to win an argument on something utterly benign.

  • fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    5018·
    13 hours ago

    Hexbear isn’t worth dogshit but if someone wants to waste their money, then i wont stop them

      • Lunar@lemmy.ml
        175·
        5 hours ago

        yes let’s sexually harass all those people depending on our mutual aid comm. you’re so righteous.

        • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.worldEnglish
          55·
          3 hours ago

          There are only two kinds of people on Lemmy.

          • People who left Reddit to escape the verbal diarrhea that overwhelmed the site.

          • People who left Reddit to spread that diarrhea.

          sigh The @sh.itjust.works domain is full of the latter.

        • Telodzrum@lemmy.world
          610·
          4 hours ago

          Just social media posting your way to praxis? That’s a hell of a form of “mutual aid.”

          • Lunar@lemmy.ml
            93·
            3 hours ago

            what cowbee said, and you dorks trying to get the domain to redirect hexbear to sexually explicit or otherwise useless shit are just making it that much harder for the numerous palestinians, trans people, unhoused people, etc. who have come to rely on c/mutual_aid.

            good to know that owning the “tankies” is more important to you dweebs than letting us continue to help them. i really hope you’re proud of yourselves.

          • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
            112·
            4 hours ago

            There’s a Mutual Aid comm where people in need can make a request for money or other such necessity and others can fulfil them.

          • fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.com
            2915·
            12 hours ago

            I don’t know if you’re talking about me, but if so i am not western, and hating on MLism isn’t anti-left lmao.

            • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
              2011·
              6 hours ago

              Hating on a major branch of leftist thought isn’t technically anti-all left, but it’s still left punching. Trying to say Marxism-Leninism isn’t left is just purity testing nonsense.

              I dunno, if you consider yourself a leftist I think you’d be doing a much better service attacking right-wingers, especially now that there’s a huge rise of literal Nazis in Western countries, than attacking branches of leftism you personally disagree with. It’s entirely understandable why people would question your motives if you decide to dedicate a good portion of your personal time to anti-communism.

              • 𝙲𝚑𝚊𝚒𝚛𝚖𝚊𝚗 𝙼𝚎𝚘𝚠@programming.dev
                1013·
                6 hours ago

                Politics doesn’t exist on a one-dimensional scale you know. These extremely authoritarian branches of leftism are to me just as detestable as right-wing authoritarianists (though clearly one is more of a present threat). But I dislike being associated with those people because they believe they somehow must be similar in ideology to me.

                • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
                  124·
                  6 hours ago

                  Politics doesn’t really have dimensions to begin with, things like the Political Compass are just abstractions of ideas and positions that attempts (unsuccessfully, IMO) to provide shortcuts to understanding the broader image of a viewpoint.

                  As an example, Marxism-Leninism and AES states espouse and implement more democratic structures, but harshly oppressed opposition from liberals, monarchists, and fascists. This is certainly “authoritarian,” but I don’t think that’s a bad use of authority. Rather, all systems and positions are “authoritarian” in different directions and towards different groups. You get where this is getting muddy and rather than clarifying, it’s actually adding more confusion?

                  As a side-note, if you think Communists are “just as detestable” as Nazis, I think you need to look more critically at these movements historically. Blackshirts and Reds is a great comparison of fascism and communism historically, proving them to be completely uncomparable in terms of sheer brutality and who they served, the bourgeoisie or the proletariat, while taking a critical look at the USSR and why it dissolved.

                • chickentendrils@lemmy.mlEnglish
                  146·
                  6 hours ago

                  Totally going to defeat that 400 year dictatorship of capital which has only previously made concessions to workers when there was a tangible alternative system presenting some threat to theirs with an election. Keep it up. Believe in you. <3

            • BrainInABox@lemmy.mlEnglish
              2117·
              9 hours ago

              Yes of course, real leftism is when you exclusively punch left and encourage spending money to highjack leftists spaces to redirect them to right wing neo liberal ones.

              • fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.com
                1316·
                9 hours ago

                Lol. I don’t exclusively punch left so i don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about, and i said it would be funny, while saying “it’s a waste of money”.

                and encourage spending money to highjack leftists spaces to redirect them to right wing neo liberal ones.

                Get a clue lmao. State capitalism isn’t leftist. Even fucking social democrats are more leftist, and that’s saying something.

                • BrainInABox@lemmy.mlEnglish
                  1714·
                  9 hours ago

                  Lol. I don’t exclusively punch left

                  Your comment history disagrees.

                  State capitalism isn’t leftist

                  Oh but imperialist neoliberalism is? I guess “real leftism” is just Western chauvinism.

                  Even fucking social democrats are more leftist

                  Why? Oh right, because they’re Western

  • _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    666·
    16 hours ago

    The rest of the Fediverse should put together a GoFundMe to buy the domain, and stick up a page with links to donate drones to Ukrainian soldiers, and care packages to families of Uyghur muslims detained in concentration camps in China.

    • Etterra@discuss.onlineEnglish
      62·
      13 hours ago

      Couldn’t somebody buy it and change it to force all the assholes out and then change things to make it a proper instance?

      • Evotech@lemmy.world
        7·
        11 hours ago

        Idk how federation works, but I imagine the domain name isn’t the only thing that ties the instanses together together?

        I could be wrong

        • 3dmvr@lemm.eeEnglish
          2·
          8 hours ago

          nah they could, theyd just change it to their ip address, like the domain vendor deleted their ip address from the records when they didn’t pay

  • Carl@lemm.eeEnglish
    82·
    17 hours ago

    This almost certainly won’t kill the Hexbear community, and frankly I don’t think there’s any way they will choose to pony up the auction money. This community has moved from reddit to discord to the fediverse and they’ll probably just be on their backup/original domain chapo.chat for a month or two before switching over to whatever the admins decide to switch to, and then it will be business as usual under a new name.

    Still there’s a lesson here about setting up a durable online community - don’t let someone control the domain registration with their personal account, you’re just asking for something like this to happen. If they don’t have one already the admins should set up some kind of organization that can “own” the new domain, donations, etc so that this can’t happen again.

    • mathemachristian[he]@lemmy.ml
      41·
      2 hours ago

      The current vibe definitely is “Dont pay money to cyberlandlords, give it to people in the mutual_aid comm”. Let it go and get a new domain

    • CarbonBasedNPU@lemm.eeEnglish
      111·
      12 hours ago

      I just don’t get how you could keep trusting the people that run the instance after this. Its like the whole manjaro thing I could never use it because I do not trust the people in charge because they won’t stop fucking up.

      • GhostOfHoxha@lemmy.ml
        91·
        6 hours ago

        Making some assumptions about who is who (because they’ve intentionally made it difficult to keep track for doxxing reasons), this should be the last connection they have to a previous admin team that’s been at the core of a lot of the unforced errors over the years. I think it may actually be smooth sailing after this. Either way, I have too many alts across different instances to be too worried about a single one falling. I would indeed miss Hexbear though.

        • hoppolito@mander.xyzEnglish
          3·
          8 hours ago

          Don’t have a horse in the race myself (since I use arch, btw) but e.g. here is a compiled list of some past issues.

          • PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@feddit.uk
            3·
            8 hours ago

            830 days since manjaro last fucked up. I’ve been using manjaro for a while. other than some hiccups i’d expect of a rolling release distro i’ve been fairly happy with it

  • jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de
    146·
    12 hours ago

    Is there a remind me bot on Lemmy? Asking for a friend that might do something financially irresponsibly hilarious at last second if the auction values doesn’t go much higher.

  • melroy@kbin.melroy.org
    355·
    16 hours ago

    Just add the following line to your host file and add an override to your DNS:

    37.187.73.130 hexbear.net

    Problem solved, this is how we did it in 1985.