I read an interesting article about 40K Space Marines last year, the problem with them is that some people just don’t get satire no matter how glaringly obvious it is
Starship Troopers is so badass!
My dad legitimately thinks that’s a great action movie. And to be fair, it is.
But he doesn’t understand the deeper meanings.
More meat for the grinder is totally just a bad ass thing to say! Not at all like an orphan crushing machine, for sure.
Wut?! How can someone not understand Starship Troopers is satire? What about all of the propaganda cut ins?!
Honestly I don’t know. Even when I point out super obvious ones, I’m “reaching to make a point”
There really is no limit to how dense some dipshits can be. Hell, there are even fascist Star Trek fans, despite the show beating them over the head with stuff like this all the time!
“The mobile infantry made me the man I am today” shows off two missing legs and one missing arm
I have no doubt it’s satire, but for me it’s always been more of a fun escape into a ridiculous, militarized sci fi fantasy world. I’d never want to genuinely set foot in that world though.
I really blame the games industry as a whole for this. They keep making games with Space Marines as the protagonists, where their violence is presented as justified, when a lore-friendly space marine game should be like “No Russian” missions all the time and the resulting failure this causes to their Empire. This constant “whitewashing” of the lore, is what has attracted a ton of people.
I would LOVE to see a WH40k setting where the space marines are lore-accurate murdering an entire multi-billion hive-city for some minor heresy by a few thousand of the people on the 925th-sub-basement, and you’re playing random ganger Scumface Mc Spikearms who’s just trying to survive.
Apropos , the Necromunda video game was such a disappointment :(
yeah, agreed. But Rogue Trader was remarkably on brand.
There were a LOT of parts where you basically had to decide the life and death of tens to hundreds of thousands. And often, the ethical thing was NOT the in-game right choice. For example, you could allow refugees aboard, it gets you nothing, but some of them will try to sabotage you. If you kill them all, you even get piety points for killing (some) heretics.
I recall one of the developer replying to a comment that said “If I’m evil, I get cool items, if I’m good, I get nothing, why is that?” and they replied with “If you’re doing it for a rewards, you’re not really being good, are you now?”
The article discusses this; basically the video games want you to at least slightly like the protagonist you’re playing as, which means they can’t entirely be the monstrous caricatures they were designed to be.
God-Emperor (mostly dead sitting on a cybernetic throne preserving his life, requires like 100 psychics a day to feed on to live) wants to spread his Religious-no-religion religion across the cosmos, and the brutality with which is required is a small price to pay for industry.
And then they choose to like the guy unironically. But if they’re really into Slaneesh then they just get a special brand of weird.
requires like 100 psychics a day
1,000 per day. Every day. For Ten. Thousand. Years.
So you know, just a drop in the bucket, no big deal.
And to be fairrrrrrr… The emperor himself wants no religion at all, and it’s the corrupt and zealous officials that spread the “the emperor is a god” thing, he straight up destroyed a planet because a chapter of marines converted it to Emperorism once. That was before he got stuck on his death throne, obviously.
Anyone who genuinely admires ANY of the factions in 40k just doesn’t understand it.
They all suck. There are no good guys. Honestly I’d say the closest thing to good guys there are would be the tyanids, because they’re just doing what tyanids do. You don’t get mad at cows for being cows. Or wolves for being wolves. They are what they are and they do what they do. It isn’t malicious intent.
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All praise be to Omnissiah. May his leadership and grace guide you to the one true path. Give yourself to him and become one.
Yeah they are really fucked up, but man…what great lore! Best thing about 40k baby
Ooh, thanks for sharing this. I clicked on it thinking I had already read it before, but this is actually new to me. It looks interesting
People who like Rick and Morty.
People who look up to Rick.
Is there a big connection between them and “Dark Enlightenment” chuds or what?
Rick and Morty bangs and had some subtle anti-capitalist elements to it.
But yeah Rick is a nihilist with severe empathy problems. Although he is showing some very minor character development.
Honestly all the characters in that show suck. Except that one girl morty time-looped himself out of marrying. She seemed normal.
Oh and Planetina. There is only one solution to earth’s pollution.
I’ve only seen a few episodes, but isn’t that part of the joke of the show?
I’ve had so many conversations come to a grinding halt while doing RC stuff, because I realize the person is not only veering the conversation to intentionally toward certain topics, they’re expressing right-wing opinions or shoving religion in my face. I’ve left RC events because they opened with a prayer, or because I’ve seen too many red hats in the crowd.
I’m sure it’s also because of the state I live in, but it’s a little disheartening to see so many people in my hobby who would gladly stone me to death in the street once the government allows it.
Also weirdly mountain biking has me fucking confused. So many magats on my trails, and it was my impression that cycling in general wasn’t as popular amongst the “anti-woke” crowd. Along with other things they view as a threat to their big metal death boxes that run on dead Dino and plant juices.
Lastly, blacksmithing. I do mostly bladesmithing, but like to try all aspects of it. This hobby is rampant with right-wing nut jobs and I’ve stopped watching MANY content creators over the years because they started making personal vlog style videos when Biden got elected bitching about how awful and hard it is to be a straight white male in America.
also target shooting but that’s a hot topic no matter which way you look, but here’s a reminder that armed minorities are harder to oppress
never partake of inebriating substances no matter what type while handling a firearm in any capacity. I’ve seen too many people at an outdoor range with a beer can beside them. This should get you banned from the premesis.
Alcohol at a range? Id never go back. Stone cold sober people are stupid enough handling weapons.
I don’t go back, and I have no more outdoor ranges to go to that aren’t too far away.
I used to go to a childhood friends house but after I moved we kinda drifted apart so it’s weird to ask to use their backyard range.
I would love to have the property to put in at least a 100m lane and a large back stop to stop ricochets and the like. Then I don’t have to go somewhere people will whinge when I shoot more than twice a minute, and I’m not at risk of an ND coming my way.
ND
North Dakota?
In my area (Utah), BLM land is everywhere, and there’s plenty of unused state land an hour or so away. So we can just drive a bit and a flattish area with a natural backstop, and set up some comes or something so people can see the range.
Is that not an option in your area?
Negligent Discharge
Apologies.
As deegeese said, Negligent Discharge.
My bad, I tend to think people have more knowledge of obscure things than is normal, I guess.
And I’m in Ohio, so while I technically could find some bit of land to shoot on, there’s forests, fields, and cities. Anything in between is private property.
I’m exaggerating a bit, but that’s more or less how it feels.
I think there are just more of them these days. Young men are an especially growing segment of Trump supporters. And the ones that used to hide themselves are open about it more and more every time Trump wins.
I see them in woodworking, pottery, gaming, hiking. And I live in a blue city in a blue state. I think we just have to accept that most Americans support conservative ideals.
Oh, you play video games…?
“Yeah, I’m a big fan of Hearts of Iron!”
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“I’m currently playing through [single player game]”
Ah ok, we’re probably good
Exclusively plays Germany
Legit, I have a teenager in the family heavily into it, and it is worrying. Are there any good articles on how to handle this specific thing gracefully?
Nope, sorry. Even if he only installed the game, it’s too late. We’re gonna have to put Jr. down.
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Ask them what their favorite faction in that game is, or if there are any mods they’ve done recently. Could always just be a big nerd for WW2 cause they’re a teenager.
yeah, ww2 history is really interesting lol, it’s more a yellow flag than a red flag
Yup. A guy I know was a big WW2 nerd. Also openly gay. Sometimes people just like historic stuff.
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That could be literally anyone these days, though. My mom plays video games.
I know but unfortunately moms can be racist, too.
Yeah, but at that point it’s not a red flag anymore. If everyone plays video games, it doesn’t have predictive value anymore until you get into specifics genres or even specific games/franchises.
But…Isn’t that the whole point of this post…? Playing video games doesn’t mean you’re a shitty person but there’s enough shitty people into the hobby that you need to get clarification? Why phrase it that way when we’re making the same point?
It’s silly to blame “gamers” when gamers encompasses potentially the entire planet with every belief.
Blame conservatives who happen to be gamers. It’s the same fucking people, every time.
From my experience playing online games, there’s a higher percentage of people publicly using slurs than the general population.
That’s not an admonishment of gamers as a whole, though. I’m not blaming “gamers” for anything
We’re not making the same point, though. Would you take it as a red flag to learn that someone often eats noodles or drinks cola?
…what kind of cola
That’s a different question, same as “what kinds of games”.
Nowhere did I say it was a red flag to play video games so you’re countering a point I didn’t make with reasoning that supports the point I did
Playing games is not a red flag in itself but some games certainly are. So getting clarification is about checking for red flags…
Stellaris > Extreme Xenophobic
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I just like playing as the tyanids, okay?
Although I guess if you want to get technical, they’re quite xenophilic… Gotta consume, maybe they’re just into vore.
Damn, what a terrible day to have a brain that thinks such thoughts… (not into vore, but I don’t kink-shame unless it’s your kink)
Maybe I do have a problem…
I haven’t played Stellaris for years, but I thought one wouldn’t go for Xenophobic on those races, but more for “I am the crisis”, shared consciousness builds, which I think would be OK.
I’ll be honest, I like playing stellaris but i tend to get burnt out after about 200 years or so, and don’t fully know all the game mechanics because of this.
I’ll defer to your expertise on this one.
You mean Genocide Simulator?
Don’t know anyone who plays Stellaris so I have no idea how true this is lol
I legit think Stellaris is the best game if you want to roleplay inside 4X strategy. Which is why it’s of course worrying if someone keeps making fashy races :)
I don’t trust ANYONE who says they are a fan of Warhammer 40K unless they are a fan of a Xeno faction.
Yes, Inquisitor, this heretic above me.
You’re not a heretic if you’re a xeno, heretic.
Space clowns baybeeeeee
(I kinda like the grey knights too, but I am firmly in the camp of "every 40k faction except maybe the tau is evil and that’s how it should be)
every 40k faction except maybe the tau
Add the Kin to that. They are callously pragmatic to the end, but I wouldn’t call them outright evil.
League of Voltan are the good guys now, no notes (they haven’t had enough edgy lore drops)
Honestly, I would only trust Ork and maybe Tau players. Everyone else needs questioning.
Tyranids?
Are there any Tyranid players left? GW certainly doesn’t act like it
OK, those too.
Votann? I just want to Rock and Stone brother.
Not deep enough in the lore to know what this is. Is it the old “Squats”?
Squats is Imperium hate speech be better
The species is called the Kin. Basically squats with a new paintjob who live in the galactic core. The Votann are both their first ancestors that left pre-Imerial Earth, and the current Ancestor Core computers that they worship as deities. They are cloned with beneficial stable mutations, resistant to chaos (minimal warp presence), and when they die, they get tossed into the blender where their experience is uploaded into an ancestor core and their biomass is repurposed. They frequently trade with other cultures, and avoid open combat if it would be deemed wasteful.
my ex liked the tau and he’s pretty based, so i’ll agree to that
Tau like to preach about the Greater Good (the greater good) but they’re no valiant champions of morality. Least shitty by far, though.
Orks are questionable because they do cruel things without purpose except the cruelty. It’s arguable that that’s just how they’re genetically programmed what with being artificially created and all that, like how I would argue the tyanids are the only “good” faction by virtue of being true neutral and at many stages more or less animals.
All the other factions do evil shit to whoever they feel is standing in their way, including their own people.
I hear all that, but counter-argument: Orks are funny.
You do make a good point.
Love me orks. Love the waaaaagh. Love stompin around smacking grots.
I play CSM, does that count?
One of the good ones for sure
This is a big problem as a leftist who likes to shoot guns.
It’s the worst trying to interact with the community.
There is a comm for that here [email protected]
So much this.
I found pure sports shooting a bit better, because people either are there for the sport or feel bound by fair play, at least most of the time
Since we’re on Lemmy and all: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemmy#Personal_life
Lemmy collected German military regalia; he had an Iron Cross emblazoned on his bass, which led to accusations of Nazi sympathies. He stated that he collected Nazi memorabilia because he liked the way it looked, and he considered himself an anarchist. He spoke against racism many times. Lemmy said he was against religion, government, and established authority. In 2011, he identified as agnostic, saying: “I can find out when I die. I can wait. I’m not in a hurry.” Jeff Hanneman, the founder of the thrash metal band Slayer, befriended Lemmy due to their shared fondness for collecting Nazi memorabilia. According to Keith Emerson’s autobiography, Pictures of an Exhibitionist (2004), Lemmy gave him two of his Hitler Youth knives during his time as a roadie for the Nice. Emerson used these knives many times as keyholders when playing the Hammond organ during concerts with the Nice and Emerson, Lake & Palmer before destroying them. Lemmy defended his collection by saying that if his then-girlfriend (who was black) had no problem with it, nobody else should.
And by nazi memorbillia did he also have swastikas all over his room?
Ah yes. I have this conversation occasionally. I know a lot of people who started explaining their reenactment hobby as “I’m with a reenactment for a british regiment and we do mostly ww1 and ww2, for a british group, playing allied soldier”
Thankfully, I just do medieval and napoleonic.
‘Are we in character…’ peepshow did this so well https://youtu.be/PiLVAz-Jczg
It was legit shocking to me to see the nascent Geek Dodecatheist neo-pagan movement be co-opted and then basically taken over by the fascists. I followed it from when they were basically tree-huggers, and last time I visited one of their Olumpus gatherings, I was shocked at the amount of fash rhetoric. Lost all interest right there and then.
This is one of the reasons a session 0 is so important in TTRPGs, ideally one hosted in a public place. Great way to keep creeps out
80% of car guys are racist and conservative 😩
literally everyone I work with is
That’s unfortunate. I guess I don’t find that all too surprising tbh
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People who follow those “wellness” influencers who sell random supplements and shit and basically make up all sorts of shit as if it’s medical knowledge.
Those people tend to be super ableist and anti-disabled. As a disabled person whenever you interact with that sort of person they always lecture you about “not trying hard enough” to find a treatment and recommend you expensive magic powders.
These same kind of people mistreat their disabled kids, refuse to vaccinate, that kind of bs.
