TORONTO – Most Canadians will be turning their clocks back by an hour early Sunday morning. Daylight time, which allows people to enjoy an extra hour of daylight at the end of the day, ends tomo...
Well, getting rid of it would mean that it would get dark earlier during the summer months, which would honestly suck a lot more than having it be dark during the most miserable months of the year (when most people spend their time indoors anyway).
I would personally hate for it to get dark soon after dinner during the summer, since it leaves little time to be active outdoors. Maybe if we had 4 day workweeks it would be different…
I prefer having it lighter in the morning, much easier to wake up naturally instead of relying on an alarm. I don’t really give a shit if it’s dark at 3pm though because I spend most of my time indoors anyways 🤣
Sleep and SADS research supports this, too. We should be on permanent standard time. Morning sunlight is super important, especially in the winter. Moving to permanent daylight time would cause more problems.
Consider yourself lucky to be able to even see stars at midnight. With all the light pollution we have, most people need to drive hundreds of kilometres away from where they live to have a chance to see them.
Daylight savings doesn’t really matter in this context.
I agree with not keeping standard time, I already get 0430 sunrise, I don’t need 0330 sunrise. However year long savings time would work for me; 08-1700 daylight instead of 07-1600 at the solstice. (Times based on Montréal civil twilight)
I also acknowledge I’m on an east edge of a timezone, so the west edge (like Thunder Bay) may disagree. With the advances in automated timekeeping technology, this shouldn’t be an issue, we can adjust where that line in the sand is.
I work in industrial automation, on the front lines of that automated timekeeping technology for 24 hour operations. The time change sucks and I hate it. It’s pointless, and I’m glad that the average user is insulated from the years of tweaks and changes and bugs in all that automation, but it is frustrating because it is so pointless.
Most of the bugs are mostly ironed out, but they still exist. In the background, more modern devices tend to work in UTC, so internally ignore any time change. HMI displays convert to local time based on time zone. Which is famously straightforward.
You don’t make a blanket longer by cutting a foot off the top and sewing it onto the bottom.
Which one to choose is such a non-issue it shouldn’t even be discussed.
It’s just a number on the clock. The day doesn’t actually get any longer or shorter, it doesn’t actually get darker any earlier, the only thing that changes is the number on the clock. So adjust your life based on the actual darkness. Start work an hour earlier, go to bed an hour earlier, etc etc and wow it’s exactly the same thing as you were doing before.
I just can’t believe people even argue about this.
No, it isn’t nothing. There’s been studies about it and previous experiences when winter time year-round was attempted.
In fact, keeping summer time year-round causes more accidents, particularly more child mortality, because people are in the dark when they get up during winter. Of course, fuck them cars, and children should not go to school so early. But it’s just to show that’s it’s not the same either way.
You typed this reply without seeing I actually mentioned that? I am willing to take criticism about my writing style, but don’t reply snarkily without actually reading.
Of course, fuck them cars, and children should not go to school so early.
Is this Reddit? With those snarky replies that misconstrue comments, it sure feels like it.
I just wrote “kids should not go to school so early.” Did I need to be more precise? Write five paragraphs to explain my ideas? I tried to keep it as short and simple as possible. I was hoping it would be enough to avoid impertinent and rude replies, looks like I was wrong.
Your tone is unwelcome. It’s possible that I wasn’t clear or that we misunderstood each other, but you didn’t need to write your initial response that way, really.
There isn’t a lot of agency in work hours, and there is no agency in school hours.
But yes, just pick A time and get it over with.
I’ve got strong preferences, but that based in a bias from when I worked in a windowsless office. At the end of the day, no matter the choice I’d make it work.
the only thing that changes is the number on the clock. So adjust your life based on the actual darkness. Start work an hour earlier, go to bed an hour earlier, etc etc.
It must be nice to have those options, but hardly anyone does.
One example off the top of my head where a change for an earlier summer night would be summertime local events.
Currently, they start after most people have had dinner, and end while it’s still daylight. This is a good thing since many venues don’t have the appropriate outdoor lighting. These would either have to start earlier and interfere with dinner, or later and run into it got dark. That would be awful.
Workplaces that are 9-5, factoring in a commute and dinner, some people might never see evening daylight all year if it were cut short.
What benefit would it actually give, other than not needing to argue about it every year? 😂
Well, getting rid of it would mean that it would get dark earlier during the summer months, which would honestly suck a lot more than having it be dark during the most miserable months of the year (when most people spend their time indoors anyway).
I would personally hate for it to get dark soon after dinner during the summer, since it leaves little time to be active outdoors. Maybe if we had 4 day workweeks it would be different…
I prefer having it lighter in the morning, much easier to wake up naturally instead of relying on an alarm. I don’t really give a shit if it’s dark at 3pm though because I spend most of my time indoors anyways 🤣
Sleep and SADS research supports this, too. We should be on permanent standard time. Morning sunlight is super important, especially in the winter. Moving to permanent daylight time would cause more problems.
Yes, I do love having to wait until midnight to see the summer constellations. Good job. Well done.
Consider yourself lucky to be able to even see stars at midnight. With all the light pollution we have, most people need to drive hundreds of kilometres away from where they live to have a chance to see them.
Daylight savings doesn’t really matter in this context.
I agree with not keeping standard time, I already get 0430 sunrise, I don’t need 0330 sunrise. However year long savings time would work for me; 08-1700 daylight instead of 07-1600 at the solstice. (Times based on Montréal civil twilight)
I also acknowledge I’m on an east edge of a timezone, so the west edge (like Thunder Bay) may disagree. With the advances in automated timekeeping technology, this shouldn’t be an issue, we can adjust where that line in the sand is.
I work in industrial automation, on the front lines of that automated timekeeping technology for 24 hour operations. The time change sucks and I hate it. It’s pointless, and I’m glad that the average user is insulated from the years of tweaks and changes and bugs in all that automation, but it is frustrating because it is so pointless.
I still wish Canada had just abandoned the practice when Bush passed the utterly pointless 2007 change to Daylight Savings Time.
Most of the bugs are mostly ironed out, but they still exist. In the background, more modern devices tend to work in UTC, so internally ignore any time change. HMI displays convert to local time based on time zone. Which is famously straightforward.
You don’t make a blanket longer by cutting a foot off the top and sewing it onto the bottom.
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Which one to choose is such a non-issue it shouldn’t even be discussed.
It’s just a number on the clock. The day doesn’t actually get any longer or shorter, it doesn’t actually get darker any earlier, the only thing that changes is the number on the clock. So adjust your life based on the actual darkness. Start work an hour earlier, go to bed an hour earlier, etc etc and wow it’s exactly the same thing as you were doing before.
I just can’t believe people even argue about this.
No, it isn’t nothing. There’s been studies about it and previous experiences when winter time year-round was attempted.
In fact, keeping summer time year-round causes more accidents, particularly more child mortality, because people are in the dark when they get up during winter. Of course, fuck them cars, and children should not go to school so early. But it’s just to show that’s it’s not the same either way.
You typed all that and still don’t realize the problem is with the start time of school/work?
You typed this reply without seeing I actually mentioned that? I am willing to take criticism about my writing style, but don’t reply snarkily without actually reading.
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Is this Reddit? With those snarky replies that misconstrue comments, it sure feels like it.
I just wrote “kids should not go to school so early.” Did I need to be more precise? Write five paragraphs to explain my ideas? I tried to keep it as short and simple as possible. I was hoping it would be enough to avoid impertinent and rude replies, looks like I was wrong.
Your tone is unwelcome. It’s possible that I wasn’t clear or that we misunderstood each other, but you didn’t need to write your initial response that way, really.
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There isn’t a lot of agency in work hours, and there is no agency in school hours.
But yes, just pick A time and get it over with.
I’ve got strong preferences, but that based in a bias from when I worked in a windowsless office. At the end of the day, no matter the choice I’d make it work.
It must be nice to have those options, but hardly anyone does.
One example off the top of my head where a change for an earlier summer night would be summertime local events.
Currently, they start after most people have had dinner, and end while it’s still daylight. This is a good thing since many venues don’t have the appropriate outdoor lighting. These would either have to start earlier and interfere with dinner, or later and run into it got dark. That would be awful.
Workplaces that are 9-5, factoring in a commute and dinner, some people might never see evening daylight all year if it were cut short.
What benefit would it actually give, other than not needing to argue about it every year? 😂
Why can’t the workplaces change to 8-4 instead?
It’s not the fifties anymore, 9-5 isn’t even the norm anyways. Only about 30% of the workforce are in offices.
If it’s anything like school, having people start work earlier will result in lower productivity. Maybe.
It still wouldn’t solve the fact that summer daylight would be cut short.
Seems far more difficult to replace work hours than to keep daylight savings…
No daylight is cut short, jfc. There’s exactly the same amount of daylight either way.
The number of hours of daylight is irrelevant, since I’m sure most people would benefit from later sunsets than earlier sunrises.
Kids especially, who you wouldn’t expect to be waking up at 5am just to catch more daylight hours.
You mean waking up at a regular time relative to the sun?
Why does the clock saying the number 5 matter? Why is it so important the clock says a certain number when you wake up?