Those lists are important! We know how long it took to sentence SS members due to lack of such lists.
At least the ss had a convenient tattoo to help sort them out from the rest.
So you want to be able to sentence ICE agents to death?
I speak for most of the world here when I say, yes.
Right, so you want to execute US law enforcement personnel and defend foreigners instead?
Mate, just get gone. That shit doesn’t fly here, and you’re not going to change anyone’s mind.
Right, so unless you think ICE is literally the SS, you’re not welcome.
That’s the definition of an echo chamber.
Ice is literally the same kind of group as the gestapo yes
“Literally the same”
So they’re literally executing people? Or are they escorting them home because they broke in?
No no, you revealed yourself when you assumed that people who don’t agree with the existence of ICE want to “defend foreigners”. It’s nationalist shite, and it’s really old.
Edit: and yes, it’s an echo chamber. That’s why I’m here: so I don’t have to deal with people like you.“Defend foreigners”
Yes, people who broke into this country illegally, aren’t from the U.S. and shouldn’t be here.
What word would you prefer instead?
And yes, you just want an echo chamber of people agreeing with you about everything. That’s certainly something.
Lemmy absolutely is an echo chamber, no one will deny that. The question is, why are you here?
“Why are you here”
Why are you here? Why are any of us here? Why do you want an echo chamber?
ICE isn’t law enforcement. It is Trumps private thugs. Much like the SS in Germany.
No, they’re literally law enforcement.
The “law” they’re enforcing is Trump’s edicts. Immigration law as it’s existed for some time doesn’t call for this kind of action. Trump doesn’t get to write law, that’s for the legislature. He’s there to carry out and enforce existing law, not create it, not reinterpret it, not ignore it, and CERTAINLY not to gaslight the American people about it.
The way Trump treats law is literally un-American.
Lick that boot harder.
We have plenty of videos naming and shaming cops who violate our civil rights, often times in deadly violations, and they’re all doing just fine and none of them faced anything more than sometime justice for the inhumane and civil rights violating actions.
It will be the same here, name, shame and make sure they never work in any position of power ever again.
ETA, yet another hours old troll account. To the block list you go.
They can quit anytime
“To death” was your own addition there. Way to reveal yourself.
Just about everyone responded with “yes” or the equivalent, so I don’t think it was themself who was revealed, lol.
“Own addition”
The comparison was to SS members.
Should they be spent to a day spa instead?
Ahh yes, the only two possible options…
Considering a bunch of people have said Yes, the death penalty? What should happen to “SS members”?
So you think they’re comitting horrific crimes against humanity on par with the nazis then?
If you picked up a history book, you would know there isnt much of a difference of functions in what ICE is doing versus the Gestapo back in WW2.
Way to reveal yourself
“Gestapo”
So the Gestapo escorted people out of the country who had broken in illegally?
Yes.
So that’s what the SS is known for?
Mass executing Jews isn’t the same as kicking out people who came here illegally.
Buddy you know that many many different things happened other than the killing of Jews right
Like the many years of buildup before that point. How can you people be this dumb lol
Because they’re hurting the right people.
Yep, it’s that simple. The Mango Mussolini’s current targets align with their own prejudices, so they get their short skirts and pompoms on and go out and cheer for the trouser shitting, terrified old man and his “proud boys” larping as “patriots”.
So deporting people here illegally is the same as killing Jews?
No, it’s not. But you really should take advice and pick up a history book. There are a terrifying amount of parallels with ICE and literally every single dictator’s secret police, not just the Gestapo.
What you remember from history is the endgame of this, and we’re not there yet. If you want to get the comparisons you need to read a little about how things got to the point where millions of Jewish people (and others, mind, it wasn’t only Jewish) were genocided.“ICE”
So ICE is executing millions of Jews? And sending people, who broke in, back home is the exact same?
Doesn’t mean execution is the appropriate response, which is what they’re getting at, I’m pretty sure.
Not to mention it’s more expensive than imprisonment, even life imprisonment.
I want inhumane behaviour dealt with accordingly, bit I am strictly against death sentences.
It is horrible that USA still makes death sentences in my opinion.
It is unforgivable, but mistakes happen everywhere.
There are better ways to punish.
Controversial to whom exactly?
The ICE agents on that list, as well as the ones scared of being on future lists.
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If your Democrat politicians are not threatening to persecute these goons if elected, what the fuck do you need them for?
It’s about time. The only government employee that should have their identities held in secrecy are CIA agents. The rest can f-off and every single US taxpayer should know who is on the damn payroll. Fuck the US version of the RSHA and NKVD.
CIA agents aren’t government employees.
Or so you’ve led to believe.
A lot of the confusion comes from the fact that the FBI refers to is personnel as agents, whereas “agent” means something entirely different to the CIA.
CIA agents aren’t employees of the CIA, but are people in other positions that are being used by the CIA. This can include informants, spies, etc.
It’s like a Sunshine List for dickheads
List of ICE, or LICE for short.
You got a LoICE-nse for that list?
Need all of their names
I think a lot aren’t even ICE, especially the mall ninja looking motherfuckers in Amazon ICE and police vests/patches. They’re just ass holes looking to hurt someone brown under the guise of “immigration enforcement”. I’m expecting a day very soon where someone kills one trying to kidnap their SO or child. Only a matter of time.
Name n shame these pricks
The list is compiled from largely public sources
one of only two field agents listed is Michael Berkacke
Main People ICE Agents Field Agents Michael Bernacke(added July 4 2025 haha)
https://icelist.is/ice/michael-bernacke/
source https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/innovation-and-dedication-keys-success-ero-salt-lake-city | https://archive.md/uzafQ
looks like there’s lots of admin staff and public facing officials
I bet some of them drive infowarrior trucks.
I bet half of them where on Jan 6 lists
Surprising to me that he is based in the Netherlands. In Germany, this project would likely be criminal.
He still might get into trouble over GDPR. He’s obviously counting on the exemption for journalism, but I am not sure if that works.
GDPR exist to protect EU citizens and data. Not U.S citizens or data.
Are you guys really unaware of the whole fundamental rights thing? Feels like EU people are always going on about it. I guess it rarely becomes clear what those rights are.
In EU law, data protection is understood to be a fundamental right. From that viewpoint, saying that GDPR only protects Europeans makes as much sense as saying that laws against murder only protect Europeans.
Good ol’ EU: prioritizing “right to be forgotten” & privacy that isn’t reasonably expected over transparency, information freedom, truth.
I genuinely do not consider that to be controversial.
Fascists should be afraid for their safety, as a general rule. When they’re not, it’s a problem. As we can see now.
Agreed, these are masked criminals and we have the right to share who they are.
And even if they weren’t criminals, they’re claiming to be law enforcement which normally requires you to identify yourself.
They’re also ostensibly public employees. ICE is not a spy organization, we should know who they are
There’s a reason why they hide their faces and want to hide their identities … they know what they are doing is wrong. They’re gambling on the idea that if their fascist government stays in place, they’ll be rewarded … but if their fascist government fails, then they can go back to normal society if no one knows who they are.
If what they are doing is justified, moral and can be easily defended, then they would have no need to hide themselves.
but if their fascist government fails, then they can go back to normal society of no one knows who they are.
It should be trivial for a theoretical subsequent competent government to identify these people, but I’ve just about lost all hope that anyone will face consequences for doing fascist shit.
They should be allowed to grow and change like anyone else. This thread is so full of hate I dont know how anyone here thinks they are an example of a “good” citizen.
If any of y’all ran the government, we would be so much worse off right now.
Any action taken against fascists is self-defense. Are you against self-defense?
No, I support people defending themselves and their communities. I dont see how this doxxing site helps with that, it seems more like virtue signalling for terminally online “leftists”.
Oh noes, people are hating fascists! We shouldn’t let those fascist haters run the government, much better to let the fascists do it. Go lick some more ICE balls, you fucking rusty spork.
We can talk again when you grow up.
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They can grow and change in jail while they pay for their crimes.
If thats how our system worked I’d be fine with that.
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The controversy is not that you agree with this, it’s that some people don’t.
The controversy is coming when this list is contraband.
For the record, fascists will always project that they are afraid for their safety. Playing the victim is how they gain power. When one of them is targeted, it doesn’t create fear to dissuade the rest, it empowers them to play it up for support.
The point is that we should MAKE them ACTUALLY afraid for their safety. If they’re playing victim anyways… make them actual victims.
As long as you accept that you are playing into their strategy to instigate a civil war which they’ve been working toward years, if not decades, sure.
Alternatively, we could opt to listen to experts on fascism, recognize the systemic issues that give rise to it (like economic instability and wealth inequality), make a concerted effort to address those concerns, win over the working class which the left has neglected for the last 60 years, and bring the temperature down for centrists thereby cutting off the primary weapon of fascism…
But we’ll probably do it the dumb way.
Edit: for the record, I’m fully convinced there are psyops going on here on Lemmy, and the people like you trying to push us further toward violence and civil unrest are either them, or useful idiots helping them.
It already is a civil war. One side thinks having the moral high ground means not having to show up.
What you’re suggesting is a shaky strategy for fighting standard GOP misbehavior two, three decades ago. Wake up and look around.
I’m not trying to be mean, but I do think you need to hear this: touch grass. This is a big deal to Americans, but it’s pretty much politics as usual for like 70% of the world. Recognize that the fact that we get to think it’s a big deal is part of our entitlement.
I get it, trump is testing limits, he’s got ICE rounding people up, he’s trying to deploy the military into states, he’s painting innocents as terrorists. And I’m telling you, it’s not popular. He doesn’t have the support to pull this off, he’s doing what he’s doing not because he’s strong but because he’s weak, desperate, and he knows it.
Right now, he desperately wants this to devolve into violence, because like any demagogue, he can’t be a functional politician, he can only fight invisible enemies. He’s trying to provoke a war in time for midterms. Don’t give him what he wants. Stand united in peace with the vast majority of people who don’t want this to continue.
MAGA is gaining ground against you every fucking day and has been for years with zero opposition.
People like you are the reason.
“I’m not trying to be mean.” 🤣 of course you’re not- you’re not capable of it. If you were, you might have a shot at being useful. I promise you nobody is horribly hurt by milquetoast “mean words” from a coward who won’t lift a finger to stop his neighbors from being kidnapped.
First off, Trump is one thing, but MAGA is losing ground. Source. As soon as trump entered office, the MAGA movement stalled and has started trending back down. This is because he’s been given the every lever, and as expected, he’s botching it.
Second, you’re interpreting what I’m saying in the way you want to hear it. Absolutely go protest, get naked and stand in front of a tank, douse yourself in oil and set yourself aflame on the whitehouse lawn, sound the alarm so that everyone hears through all the noise. And like always: defend yourself and those around you from criminals using whatever means you have.
But we are at the ideal time to appeal to MAGA. Look at all the Republicans breaking from him over the shutdown. MAGA is to the right what Occupy WallSt was to the youth before the rich steered it back to a left/right old/young thing. There are systemic problems, and people are seeing that targeting the “woke” isn’t going to solve it. They are soon going to be forced to demand working solutions. He can only blame Biden for so long.
Of course, nothing i say will convince some people. There are a class of horny idiots who desperately need to act on their frail emotions, give trump what he wants, and go out in the streets with MAGA to aggressively suck each other off. You are free to be in that group if you want, but know that you’re not helping anyone but yourself and the fascist movement. (Of course you and I both know that the only fingers you’re lifting are from your keyboard to downvote someone you disagree with 🤣).
We cannot address any of the root causes of fascism while fascists control all the levers of power.
The fact that we’re able to have this conversation means we still have the power that matters most. And the fact that they hold all political offices means they get blamed for any unrest. It’s why every incumbent in every election in the world in 2024 lost support, and it’s why trump is so afraid of the midterms.
Meanwhile, Bernie and AOC are holding successful rallies in southern states, and local candidates like Graham Platner are gaining traction. The right has spent decades shifting blame away from the rich, and it seems people are finally getting wise to it. It sucks that they had to see how bad it could get with their own eyes before figuring it out, but that’s just how humanity works, it seems.
Way more controversial that my tax dollars.oay people that are trying to conceal their identities…?
Like surely. I don’t see an argument between clandestine tax dollars thugs and a desire to clarify that clandestine bullshit.
You got it, if your job is to terrify and kidnap people, you should also be at least afraid for your life !
ICE agents arent fascists. They are americans who want a high paying job. Its an awful job and only barely worth it with a six figure salary. If people took more of a stand against working there, they would raise the wages until people want to.
In a way its a good thing these people are mostly doing it for money, which won’t much matter in a civil war.
You are clearly not paying attention to the crazy hiring spree ICE is doing, and the ads they’re posting to drive it, or the sort of people that they’re hiring, or their predominant beliefs.
Willful ignorance is a hell of a drug.
I know what they are doing, and I know the type of people working there. They are not unforgivable or unredeemable, as much as it makes you feel good to say so.
Lemmy and reddit both have a huge bias towards black and white thinking, which I think is shortsighted and immature.
If a fascist wants to become not a fascist, good for them, and yes, they should be embraced for turning their backs on that insanity.
That absolutely does not mean that fascists should be treated with kids gloves, or given the benefit of the doubt. Ever.
You get empathy when you walk away from that shit. Not before.
I simply dont think we should make them and their families scared to live in their homes. Thats not the point of all this, and its not going to change anyone’s mind.
I will not condone what ia being done but I’m also not going to condemn the people doing it.
It must be pointed out that a lot of the people doing it, especially recently, are racist, fascist assholes. So yeah, I’m absolutely going to condemn the people doing it. And I think your attempt to morally fence-sit on that topic is at best comically naïve, and at worst deeply disingenuous.
This dude is clearly ice.
Well you are entitled to your opinion after all. If you feel better for condemning them that good for you I guess.
It’s a wonder these people can manage to post with their tongues wrapped so thoroughly around the boot.
ICE agents arent fascists.
How did you decide that? All polling disagrees with you, so what do you know that we don’t?
WELL IF THE POLLS SAY IT THEN IT MUST BE TRUE! FANTASTIC!
So when presented with reality instead of learning you revert to what your feelings tell you?
Are you implying polls accurately represent reality?
Yeah its unfortunate that people are susceptible to making actions against their own values. Fortunately people never stay the same and constantly grow and change.
Seems quite apologetic to somebody that would lock another living person in a cage.
Well I guess you just have never made a mistake in your life. Good for you, goodest boy/girl. I hope you get many pats on the head.
Real mature to minimize the act of irversibly ruining another human life as a “mistake”.
Well, I’m mocking you, and you are immature, so I think I hit the nail on the head actually.
Billionaires are just following the american dream, they found a high paying job is all. Its not their fault they did evil things along the way!
Come on y’all, let’s not pick on the poor fascists!
Are we talking about billionaires or ICE agents? ICE agents aren’t billionaires.
This is how I know you’re debating in bad faith
I dont think you know what bad faith means. Its definitely not when you think someones contradicted themselves.
I asked who we were talking about again because this post and conversation is about ICE agents, not billionaires.
Unless there are some billionaires larping as ICE agents, then I dont see how thats relevant, and I dont care to start off on some tangent for no reason.
If you think I’m wrong though feel free to explain why.
No, because you’re debating in bad faith
Again, I dont think you understand the term. Bad faith isn’t someone you disagree with.
Were talking about fascists…
Might as well be talking about nothing then, because your definition of who is a fascist surely won’t match mine.
Do you have any comment about ICE agents or this post?
Yawn
When ICE is violently attacking civilians, there’s nothing controversial about naming and shaming the fascists involved.
Or prosecuting. I hope they get their comeuppance.
If your police cover their faces, they are not doing good work.
Police have never existed to serve the populace, they solely exist to protect the capital of the wealthy.
Police are a Status Quo maintenence force. The status quo fucking sucks.
But that’s on a different level than being allowed to cover your face while destroying lives and saying it is justified because occasionally you enforce laws
Define “never”. Never in as in never in the history of 21st century America? Pretty tame assertion. Never in the anthropological sense? That would be completely farcical.
Does this guy even know a time before 2010?
Uh… WTF are you smoking? You got any references to back up that pompous retort, or are you banking on the confidence of your palm alone to carry that wet fart aloft?
The whole masked officers thing really got me wondering how society would respond to a Batman like figure. I don’t think I realized bofore the ICE raids how absolutely horrible the concept of masked superheros was for a free society, even after consuming some media that tried to focus on this issue, like the Watchmen.
Et tu, Phoenix Jones?
Ah, I wasn’t even really thinking of Phoenix, but excellent reference, and he sounds like such a mess. To be fair though, most of what I know about the dude is from “The Superhero Complex” podcast.
I feel like a lot of people knew who Phoenix was though, and so he was at least accountable for his actions in most cases. ICE appears to be acting in a way to purposely avoid accountability.
Bandits
If you don’t show a badge and have a warrant, you’re not an officer, you’re an armed assailant.
They’re not recruiting the best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re recruiting people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems to us. They’re using drugs. They’re committing crimes. They’re rapists. And some, maybe, although unlikely, are good people.”
That was way too coherent. Try turning down the coherency about 80%.
That’s being generous
if you are in a car, you have right to use it to defend yourself from thugs/.
