I genuinely do not consider that to be controversial.
Fascists should be afraid for their safety, as a general rule. When they’re not, it’s a problem. As we can see now.
Agreed, these are masked criminals and we have the right to share who they are.
And even if they weren’t criminals, they’re claiming to be law enforcement which normally requires you to identify yourself.
They’re also ostensibly public employees. ICE is not a spy organization, we should know who they are
There’s a reason why they hide their faces and want to hide their identities … they know what they are doing is wrong. They’re gambling on the idea that if their fascist government stays in place, they’ll be rewarded … but if their fascist government fails, then they can go back to normal society if no one knows who they are.
If what they are doing is justified, moral and can be easily defended, then they would have no need to hide themselves.
but if their fascist government fails, then they can go back to normal society of no one knows who they are.
It should be trivial for a theoretical subsequent competent government to identify these people, but I’ve just about lost all hope that anyone will face consequences for doing fascist shit.
They should be allowed to grow and change like anyone else. This thread is so full of hate I dont know how anyone here thinks they are an example of a “good” citizen.
If any of y’all ran the government, we would be so much worse off right now.
Oh noes, people are hating fascists! We shouldn’t let those fascist haters run the government, much better to let the fascists do it. Go lick some more ICE balls, you fucking rusty spork.
We can talk again when you grow up.
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They can grow and change in jail while they pay for their crimes.
If thats how our system worked I’d be fine with that.
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Any action taken against fascists is self-defense. Are you against self-defense?
No, I support people defending themselves and their communities. I dont see how this doxxing site helps with that, it seems more like virtue signalling for terminally online “leftists”.
The controversy is not that you agree with this, it’s that some people don’t.
The controversy is coming when this list is contraband.
For the record, fascists will always project that they are afraid for their safety. Playing the victim is how they gain power. When one of them is targeted, it doesn’t create fear to dissuade the rest, it empowers them to play it up for support.
The point is that we should MAKE them ACTUALLY afraid for their safety. If they’re playing victim anyways… make them actual victims.
As long as you accept that you are playing into their strategy to instigate a civil war which they’ve been working toward years, if not decades, sure.
Alternatively, we could opt to listen to experts on fascism, recognize the systemic issues that give rise to it (like economic instability and wealth inequality), make a concerted effort to address those concerns, win over the working class which the left has neglected for the last 60 years, and bring the temperature down for centrists thereby cutting off the primary weapon of fascism…
But we’ll probably do it the dumb way.
Edit: for the record, I’m fully convinced there are psyops going on here on Lemmy, and the people like you trying to push us further toward violence and civil unrest are either them, or useful idiots helping them.
It already is a civil war. One side thinks having the moral high ground means not having to show up.
What you’re suggesting is a shaky strategy for fighting standard GOP misbehavior two, three decades ago. Wake up and look around.
I’m not trying to be mean, but I do think you need to hear this: touch grass. This is a big deal to Americans, but it’s pretty much politics as usual for like 70% of the world. Recognize that the fact that we get to think it’s a big deal is part of our entitlement.
I get it, trump is testing limits, he’s got ICE rounding people up, he’s trying to deploy the military into states, he’s painting innocents as terrorists. And I’m telling you, it’s not popular. He doesn’t have the support to pull this off, he’s doing what he’s doing not because he’s strong but because he’s weak, desperate, and he knows it.
Right now, he desperately wants this to devolve into violence, because like any demagogue, he can’t be a functional politician, he can only fight invisible enemies. He’s trying to provoke a war in time for midterms. Don’t give him what he wants. Stand united in peace with the vast majority of people who don’t want this to continue.
MAGA is gaining ground against you every fucking day and has been for years with zero opposition.
People like you are the reason.
“I’m not trying to be mean.” 🤣 of course you’re not- you’re not capable of it. If you were, you might have a shot at being useful. I promise you nobody is horribly hurt by milquetoast “mean words” from a coward who won’t lift a finger to stop his neighbors from being kidnapped.
First off, Trump is one thing, but MAGA is losing ground. Source. As soon as trump entered office, the MAGA movement stalled and has started trending back down. This is because he’s been given the every lever, and as expected, he’s botching it.
Second, you’re interpreting what I’m saying in the way you want to hear it. Absolutely go protest, get naked and stand in front of a tank, douse yourself in oil and set yourself aflame on the whitehouse lawn, sound the alarm so that everyone hears through all the noise. And like always: defend yourself and those around you from criminals using whatever means you have.
But we are at the ideal time to appeal to MAGA. Look at all the Republicans breaking from him over the shutdown. MAGA is to the right what Occupy WallSt was to the youth before the rich steered it back to a left/right old/young thing. There are systemic problems, and people are seeing that targeting the “woke” isn’t going to solve it. They are soon going to be forced to demand working solutions. He can only blame Biden for so long.
Of course, nothing i say will convince some people. There are a class of horny idiots who desperately need to act on their frail emotions, give trump what he wants, and go out in the streets with MAGA to aggressively suck each other off. You are free to be in that group if you want, but know that you’re not helping anyone but yourself and the fascist movement. (Of course you and I both know that the only fingers you’re lifting are from your keyboard to downvote someone you disagree with 🤣).
We cannot address any of the root causes of fascism while fascists control all the levers of power.
The fact that we’re able to have this conversation means we still have the power that matters most. And the fact that they hold all political offices means they get blamed for any unrest. It’s why every incumbent in every election in the world in 2024 lost support, and it’s why trump is so afraid of the midterms.
Meanwhile, Bernie and AOC are holding successful rallies in southern states, and local candidates like Graham Platner are gaining traction. The right has spent decades shifting blame away from the rich, and it seems people are finally getting wise to it. It sucks that they had to see how bad it could get with their own eyes before figuring it out, but that’s just how humanity works, it seems.
You got it, if your job is to terrify and kidnap people, you should also be at least afraid for your life !
Way more controversial that my tax dollars.oay people that are trying to conceal their identities…?
Like surely. I don’t see an argument between clandestine tax dollars thugs and a desire to clarify that clandestine bullshit.
ICE agents arent fascists. They are americans who want a high paying job. Its an awful job and only barely worth it with a six figure salary. If people took more of a stand against working there, they would raise the wages until people want to.
In a way its a good thing these people are mostly doing it for money, which won’t much matter in a civil war.
You are clearly not paying attention to the crazy hiring spree ICE is doing, and the ads they’re posting to drive it, or the sort of people that they’re hiring, or their predominant beliefs.
Willful ignorance is a hell of a drug.
I know what they are doing, and I know the type of people working there. They are not unforgivable or unredeemable, as much as it makes you feel good to say so.
Lemmy and reddit both have a huge bias towards black and white thinking, which I think is shortsighted and immature.
If a fascist wants to become not a fascist, good for them, and yes, they should be embraced for turning their backs on that insanity.
That absolutely does not mean that fascists should be treated with kids gloves, or given the benefit of the doubt. Ever.
You get empathy when you walk away from that shit. Not before.
I simply dont think we should make them and their families scared to live in their homes. Thats not the point of all this, and its not going to change anyone’s mind.
I will not condone what ia being done but I’m also not going to condemn the people doing it.
It must be pointed out that a lot of the people doing it, especially recently, are racist, fascist assholes. So yeah, I’m absolutely going to condemn the people doing it. And I think your attempt to morally fence-sit on that topic is at best comically naïve, and at worst deeply disingenuous.
This dude is clearly ice.
Well you are entitled to your opinion after all. If you feel better for condemning them that good for you I guess.
It’s a wonder these people can manage to post with their tongues wrapped so thoroughly around the boot.
Yeah its unfortunate that people are susceptible to making actions against their own values. Fortunately people never stay the same and constantly grow and change.
Seems quite apologetic to somebody that would lock another living person in a cage.
Well I guess you just have never made a mistake in your life. Good for you, goodest boy/girl. I hope you get many pats on the head.
Real mature to minimize the act of irversibly ruining another human life as a “mistake”.
Well, I’m mocking you, and you are immature, so I think I hit the nail on the head actually.
ICE agents arent fascists.
How did you decide that? All polling disagrees with you, so what do you know that we don’t?
WELL IF THE POLLS SAY IT THEN IT MUST BE TRUE! FANTASTIC!
So when presented with reality instead of learning you revert to what your feelings tell you?
Are you implying polls accurately represent reality?
Billionaires are just following the american dream, they found a high paying job is all. Its not their fault they did evil things along the way!
Come on y’all, let’s not pick on the poor fascists!
Are we talking about billionaires or ICE agents? ICE agents aren’t billionaires.
This is how I know you’re debating in bad faith
I dont think you know what bad faith means. Its definitely not when you think someones contradicted themselves.
I asked who we were talking about again because this post and conversation is about ICE agents, not billionaires.
Unless there are some billionaires larping as ICE agents, then I dont see how thats relevant, and I dont care to start off on some tangent for no reason.
If you think I’m wrong though feel free to explain why.
No, because you’re debating in bad faith
Again, I dont think you understand the term. Bad faith isn’t someone you disagree with.
Were talking about fascists…
Might as well be talking about nothing then, because your definition of who is a fascist surely won’t match mine.
Do you have any comment about ICE agents or this post?
Yawn
Those lists are important! We know how long it took to sentence SS members due to lack of such lists.
At least the ss had a convenient tattoo to help sort them out from the rest.
So you want to be able to sentence ICE agents to death?
I speak for most of the world here when I say, yes.
Right, so you want to execute US law enforcement personnel and defend foreigners instead?
Mate, just get gone. That shit doesn’t fly here, and you’re not going to change anyone’s mind.
Right, so unless you think ICE is literally the SS, you’re not welcome.
That’s the definition of an echo chamber.
Ice is literally the same kind of group as the gestapo yes
“Literally the same”
So they’re literally executing people? Or are they escorting them home because they broke in?
No no, you revealed yourself when you assumed that people who don’t agree with the existence of ICE want to “defend foreigners”. It’s nationalist shite, and it’s really old.
Edit: and yes, it’s an echo chamber. That’s why I’m here: so I don’t have to deal with people like you.“Defend foreigners”
Yes, people who broke into this country illegally, aren’t from the U.S. and shouldn’t be here.
What word would you prefer instead?
And yes, you just want an echo chamber of people agreeing with you about everything. That’s certainly something.
Lemmy absolutely is an echo chamber, no one will deny that. The question is, why are you here?
“Why are you here”
Why are you here? Why are any of us here? Why do you want an echo chamber?
ICE isn’t law enforcement. It is Trumps private thugs. Much like the SS in Germany.
No, they’re literally law enforcement.
The “law” they’re enforcing is Trump’s edicts. Immigration law as it’s existed for some time doesn’t call for this kind of action. Trump doesn’t get to write law, that’s for the legislature. He’s there to carry out and enforce existing law, not create it, not reinterpret it, not ignore it, and CERTAINLY not to gaslight the American people about it.
The way Trump treats law is literally un-American.
Lick that boot harder.
We have plenty of videos naming and shaming cops who violate our civil rights, often times in deadly violations, and they’re all doing just fine and none of them faced anything more than sometime justice for the inhumane and civil rights violating actions.
It will be the same here, name, shame and make sure they never work in any position of power ever again.
ETA, yet another hours old troll account. To the block list you go.
They can quit anytime
“To death” was your own addition there. Way to reveal yourself.
Just about everyone responded with “yes” or the equivalent, so I don’t think it was themself who was revealed, lol.
“Own addition”
The comparison was to SS members.
Should they be spent to a day spa instead?
Ahh yes, the only two possible options…
Considering a bunch of people have said Yes, the death penalty? What should happen to “SS members”?
So you think they’re comitting horrific crimes against humanity on par with the nazis then?
If you picked up a history book, you would know there isnt much of a difference of functions in what ICE is doing versus the Gestapo back in WW2.
Way to reveal yourself
“Gestapo”
So the Gestapo escorted people out of the country who had broken in illegally?
Yes.
So that’s what the SS is known for?
Mass executing Jews isn’t the same as kicking out people who came here illegally.
Buddy you know that many many different things happened other than the killing of Jews right
Like the many years of buildup before that point. How can you people be this dumb lol
Because they’re hurting the right people.
Yep, it’s that simple. The Mango Mussolini’s current targets align with their own prejudices, so they get their short skirts and pompoms on and go out and cheer for the trouser shitting, terrified old man and his “proud boys” larping as “patriots”.
So deporting people here illegally is the same as killing Jews?
No, it’s not. But you really should take advice and pick up a history book. There are a terrifying amount of parallels with ICE and literally every single dictator’s secret police, not just the Gestapo.
What you remember from history is the endgame of this, and we’re not there yet. If you want to get the comparisons you need to read a little about how things got to the point where millions of Jewish people (and others, mind, it wasn’t only Jewish) were genocided.“ICE”
So ICE is executing millions of Jews? And sending people, who broke in, back home is the exact same?
Doesn’t mean execution is the appropriate response, which is what they’re getting at, I’m pretty sure.
Not to mention it’s more expensive than imprisonment, even life imprisonment.
I want inhumane behaviour dealt with accordingly, bit I am strictly against death sentences.
It is horrible that USA still makes death sentences in my opinion.
It is unforgivable, but mistakes happen everywhere.
There are better ways to punish.
Controversial to whom exactly?
The ICE agents on that list, as well as the ones scared of being on future lists.
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When ICE is violently attacking civilians, there’s nothing controversial about naming and shaming the fascists involved.
Or prosecuting. I hope they get their comeuppance.
“I want to publicly shame them into resigning, because they don’t wear masks for safety. They wear them because they know their neighbors won’t invite them to dinner anymore, that their children or their children’s friends’ parents won’t want them at a baseball game. They care about their personal lives, but not about their safety,” Skinner said in a telephone interview with EL PAÍS from the Netherlands, where he lives.
This is the way.
They are literally covering their faces because they are afraid on the public. They are normal people just like you and I. They need money to support their family just like you and I. Focusing on individual agents is wasteful and cruel.
If a civil war comes, people will need to be able to say they were wrong and switch sides, which means that ICE agents will in fact help save the country.
Being bigoted is not helpful.
If a civil war comes we need to know who isn’t trustworthy in leadership. This is a list of those people.
Your misuse of the word “bigoted” is disgraceful. These people chose to lock up other humans in cages to be shipped to countries with worse cages.
They can support their families by getting a real job and not being a class traitor.
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Are we talking about ICE agents or leaders? I could have sworn this post was about the people on the ground who aren’t giving orders but taking them. I would hold leaders to a different standard.
Both shouldn’t be in any leadership capacity. As they have failed to recognize the value of human life and they would likely do it again.
All americans to some extent devalue human life. The entire economy is based on it. Whether you are ignorant of that fact or not makes a big difference. This is not an individual problem, it is a societal one. We won’t fix anything unless we treat each other like humans and communicate with each other in good faith.
People will have to live with the mistakes of their past, just like anyone else, but they should not be labelled as unredeemable or unforgivable.
Then the economy is broken. It is in fact a societal problem. Money shouldn’t exist and every human need should be freely offered and labor should traded for this opportunity. We wount fixes this until capitalism falls. We wount stop devaluing human life and we won’t treat eachother like humans as long as “the economy” exists.
People have to live with the mistake of their past but society shouldn’t not be able to take it into account. This is how we got Epstein, Jerry Sandusky, Harvey Weinstein, and Donald Trump.
If I read you correctly, you are saying we need a civil war and social breakdown to get rid of capitalism. I might agree with that, but if thats true then why doxx ICE agents? How is that helping the downfall of capitalism?
No difference. They know what orders they’ll be following when they take the job. They are evil people who are relishing being able to exercise their evil as a career.
They are jobless people with families to support. Morals come after food for the majority of people. Or are we forgetting how awful it is in this country right now?
That is absolutely no excuse at all. If I need money, is it okay to rob a bank, or steal deliveries off porches, or burglarize houses, etc.? I consider ALL of those things to be less immoral than kidnapping innocent people, and sending them to random countries to be tortured in prison for the rest of their lives. Or breaking up families, or sending young Americans to a foreign country because their parents brought them here when they were babies, etc.
No, we haven’t forgotten how awful this country is, and it’s primarily because people like YOU have turned away from the evil that is happening all around us. The solution is to stop it, not to ignore it, or make lame excuses for it.
I dont know, have you ever been that poor? If so, what high road did you manage to take then?
Hey, fascist. You don’t recruit “unemployed” people off the streets in an obviously politically biased recruiting blitz, arm them, and set them upon the general public incognito with NO training at all, even if you think their families need to be fed. All that means is that one side of the political spectrum is armed now.
It’s like you never paid any attention to what we did to the rank and file Nazis…
Did you? What do you think happened to them when the war ended?
A lot of prison time. If not the end of a noose.
PoWs had an awful time after the war, but for those who weren’t captured, simply being a nazi was not a crime and most were not tried unless they had committed specific war crimes.
So no, those who were just following orders were not punished for it.
If ignorance is bliss, you must be an angel.
No I just live in reality, not in lemmy echo chambers.
Closet fascist detected. It sounds like you’re one of the people needing doxxing, tbh. You are defending MASKED, unidentified assailants who are kidnapping random people, including citizens, off the streets, to be imprisoned in another country under 3rd world standards. GTFO of here, fascist !
There is nothing normal about what ICE agents are doing. If they had a shred of humanity, they wouldn’t carry out such heinous acts.
Thats a lot of assumptions about why they are doing what they are.
What is being assumed?
That if they were human they wouldnt do what they are doing. At least you are more honest than most in this thread by actually saying out loud that you think ICE agents aren’t people.
humanity: noun, meaning humaneness or benevolence. Similar to compassion.
So yes, I do think a lack of humanity is a problem ICE agents exhibit.
If they weren’t nazis, they wouldn’t do nazi shit.
Cool, I’d like for them to be able to learn to not be Nazis anymore. Its nice that you grew up in a way that made it obvious, but some won’t learn until way later in life.
When did I say that? Quote me.
Thats how I interpreted what you said, its not a quote. Reread your own post if you would like.
(hyperbole for emphasis) hey guys, they were normal people like you and I. They’re just supporting their families! - You when talking about the workers at Dachau and Auschwitz
They were people, but let’s not pretend they were innocent. Shame is a great motivator, and would influence many ICE agents to stop what they’re doing, or at least behave better, I would argue.
Letting law enforcement conceal their identity is some literal fascist shit - that’s not hyperbole.
The rest of the world (where I’m from) is looking on with extreme concern.
Yeah things are rough, and then they won’t be and people will need to be able to move on.
If I was in another country though, I’m sure I would dismiss americans humanity too.
then they won’t be and people will need to be able to move on
Wtf are you advocating for here?
That law enforcement shouldn’t face repercussions if they’re breaking the law (or violating generally accepted human rights)?
No, ICE agents covering up their face, so they don’t have to face consequences, shouldn’t be able to just move on after the fact.
Are you allergic to the concept of accountability?
It’s absolutely bizarre that you are arguing for the humanity of Americans, when that’s not your position. Your argument is for the “humanity” of those within law enforcement wanting no consequences for their actions.
It’s very naive to think this isn’t troubling for EVERYONE in the US, not just the alleged foreigners (who, in many cases, are completely legally in your country and have done nothing wrong).
The US is a imperial nation, so I have every right to comment on your politics, as a vassal of the US.
Bruh, as much as I’d like to see you cry about how the leopards ate your face (when you inevitably face the consequences of this slide into fascism), I’d much rather see the US have some semblance of sanity. Because we’re just standing here with our pants down, entirely at your military’s mercy (Australia).
It’s about time we diversify our security partners, holy balls.
Read a book, learn some history, you made be troubled when you do.
They are normal people just like you and I.
Maybe like you, but not me. I would NEVER take a job that requires me to abuse my fellow citizens in any way.
As an adult, I could have easily had a career in the tobacco industry, but that was one of those businesses that I told myself I would NEVER join. There are plenty of other legal businesses that I would never do because I believe they are immoral or unethical.
But then there are some jobs that are beyond immoral, beyond unethical, and being an ICE agent is one of them. I don’t care how much you need the money, taking the job of abusing innocent families, and destroying lives, simply because you find them icky, is simply EVIL. If you make that choice, you don’t get a pass for any reason, and you deserve the condemnation of your follow citizens.
Not everyone has all the privilege you do to grow up coming to those conclusions. Just because you figured it out earlier doesnt make you a better person. You didnt control the factors that lead to where you are now and the same is true for everyone else.
Now how we expect anyone to change when the “good” people are calling for your doxxing and murder, I have no idea. Apparently we build bridges with gun fire and insults these days.
You are totally lost, and have no idea what’s going on.
You didnt control the factors that lead to where you are now and the same is true for everyone else.
True, nobody controls the circumstances of their upbringing, but they do control how they react to them. Like MOST people, I internalized a strong moral code that would never let me do many, many things just for the money.
You seem to think that ICE agents are some kind of desperately poor unemployed people who are taking the only job they can get. I have been extremely broke in my life, I was one of those people that lost EVERYTHING in 2008, our house, car, everything. I still didn’t resort to doing anything immoral to feed my family. If being an ICE agent has been an option, not only would I have rejected it, but so would my family.
ALL of those ICE agents grew up in the same nation I did, had the same access to education I did, and could have internalized the same moral code, but either they didn’t, or they are deliberately choosing to ignore it now. That’s not “privilege,” that’s sociopathic.
As for “building bridges,” that might be the dumbest thing you’ve written in all your posts. We aren’t trying to build bridges. These people are truly evil, the same rootstock that produced the Nazis, and there is no appeasing them, no cooperating with them, no working with them. To be partners with them is to embrace evil, and that is 100% unacceptable.
The only solution to MAGA Treason is to crush it mercilessly, ruthlessly, purge it from our government, and prohibit it’s existence in the future.
If you thought I’d read a whole giant wall of text where you call me stupid a dozen times, then you are exactly who I thought you were.
Too bad you didn’t read it, I never called you stupid a single time.
Your own response demonstrated that just fine.
I will say it was only once, but I read it first so I gave up on it. Sorry!
Dude fuck that, you act like ice aren’t aware that they’re literally just racially profiling people. Most are j6ers and proud boys and three percenters and other white supremacist hate groups. The rest are people that are on with employing fascist tactics on their neighbors. They are cowards and monsters and they know what they’re doing and deserve according treatment.
Well we should probably continue treating them like they aren’t real people with real problems that maybe just dont have good solutions available. That sounds ideal. I’d say the less we treat each others like humans the better, right?
I’m pretty sure ICE agents dont even have the same emotions us Normie’s have. Practically aliens.
There are no “good” nazi’s, nazi supporter!
You’re an ice agent aren’t you?
BINGO !! I’m pretty sure you nailed it. That guy oozes fascism!
Nope, I could use the money but its against my values to work there.
Which protected class are we being bigoted against?
I’m not here to argue legality.
Most of the people here are bigoted against ICE agents, and most of the people here are proud of that. I’m not expecting you to agree with me, if that helps.
You can’t be bigoted against a job. It’s not like you are born as an ICE agent and it’s just who you are. It’s an active choice to start kidnapping children, not something innate like being black or gay.
Sure you can. I hate car mechanics. Untrustworthy fucks. Lazy assholes. Cause new problems just to charge me with. If I see a mechanic on the street, I spit on them. They know to stay away from me by now though.
I really dont think its so hard to be bigoted in a bunch of ways. Maybe I’m using an inaccurate word though?
You’re here to defend nazis.
I’m here trying to remind people that their fellow citizens are far more similar than they are different, and we should treat each other with dignity and respect. I dont see how anything else helps. Doxxing people and their families, especially when the site is hosted by some random person on the internet, is shortsighted and cruel. I dont approve of citizens being cruel to each other whether its ice agents or regular people.
The lack of understanding and empathy in this country is a huge part of the problem.
Throwing away your humility means you don’t get treated as such. Simple as that.
Cool I’ll just wait for you to make an unforgivable mistake and then decide you are an “other” who doesnt deserve basic human rights. Fantastic value system you have there.
They are normal people. Fine. Granted. If normal people realize their mistakes, recognize the harm done, and actively work to fix it, then that is an option in a good society. But they must put forth the effort to do so. They cannot skate by and return to mundane life with a simple apology. Don’t infantilize these adults who have made decisions and used their agency for evil. You seem to want to pardon them long before any of them have faced real consequences. Stop making excuses. They have to be dragged into the light first in order to face the society they are hurting. How else do you expect that to happen?
If your police cover their faces, they are not doing good work.
Police have never existed to serve the populace, they solely exist to protect the capital of the wealthy.
Police are a Status Quo maintenence force. The status quo fucking sucks.
But that’s on a different level than being allowed to cover your face while destroying lives and saying it is justified because occasionally you enforce laws
Define “never”. Never in as in never in the history of 21st century America? Pretty tame assertion. Never in the anthropological sense? That would be completely farcical.
Does this guy even know a time before 2010?
Uh… WTF are you smoking? You got any references to back up that pompous retort, or are you banking on the confidence of your palm alone to carry that wet fart aloft?
The whole masked officers thing really got me wondering how society would respond to a Batman like figure. I don’t think I realized bofore the ICE raids how absolutely horrible the concept of masked superheros was for a free society, even after consuming some media that tried to focus on this issue, like the Watchmen.
Et tu, Phoenix Jones?
Ah, I wasn’t even really thinking of Phoenix, but excellent reference, and he sounds like such a mess. To be fair though, most of what I know about the dude is from “The Superhero Complex” podcast.
I feel like a lot of people knew who Phoenix was though, and so he was at least accountable for his actions in most cases. ICE appears to be acting in a way to purposely avoid accountability.
Bandits
If your Democrat politicians are not threatening to persecute these goons if elected, what the fuck do you need them for?
I wonder how kidnappy the kidnappers would be if they faced justice.
when this is over they should all go to jail. fuck em.
but I’m already pissed knowing that if democrats ever get back on power, they will do nothing, doubt they’ll even reduce ICE’s funding.
Yes, it’ll all be about “unity” and “healing”.
Note that even in Germany post WW II, where a real effort was made and at least the official line was uncompromising, the large majority of Nazis and their ideas in politics, society, law, industry GOs and NGOs died slowly of old age over the next 50 years. Without that effort, even a future Democratic president (if even possible) would just be a waiting game for the next Trump.
nothing heals a nation like not having any fascists.
We need to publish home addresses, make them scared.
So there actually is a federal (felony) law against that, but not against sharing their names: 18 U.S. Code § 119. This is the most a website could legally get away with, at least for US Citizens. It may not apply to Ice List’s designer (Edit: Who is Irish and living in the Netherlands, which I believe is part of 14 Eyes), but I am not a lawyer.
Another amendment to make when we’re in power
We, the proletariat, will probably never be in power in the US
And you foresee absolutely nothing bad happening if all the public officers’ addresses were made public?
Crazy people could start killing legislators like last monthEdit: What I mean is: Crazy people might start killing legislators, like it has already happened months ago.
Yeah, which sounds great, right?
Unless you’re not on the receiving end.
You had fun on January 6? Now imagine that, but with armed militias hunting and killing center- and left-wing judges, congressmen, senators, etc., etc.
I just reread my comment, I think I wrote in a way that could be misunderstood and I was unclear. I wanted to say, the thing that is already happening might happen more, not “please kill politicians”.
I was just saying that crazy people already started killing left-wing legislators. I don’t think Trump getting shot would be good for the US or the world either.
I’m against releasing addresses, I’m just mentioning that that kind of political violence is not a hypothetical, it’s already happening…
if all the public officers’ addresses were made public?
if they don’t want to receive what’s coming to them, they can always quit
Are you, like, ten years old?
Imagine it’s 2021, Trump is president. All federal employees addresses become public. Trump does his “we’ll retake democracy” stunt and people storm the Capitol.
What do you think happens in all the cities where armed MAGA now have access to Democrat politician’s and federal workers home addresses?
Trump controls the FBI and NSA and the IRS. All of this has happened.
All of this has happened.
Yeah, I remember the bloodbath of 2021 when people were going door to door and shooting Democrat-aligned officials…
WTF are you smoking, mate?
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MLK started abandoning this system and then he was killed.
Black Panthers disregarded this system which led to COINTELPRO tactics being used to instigate infighting and divisions. Also gun laws became harsher since the non-whites starting arming up.
The fact that these gestapo fucks all wear masks and are hell bent on not being identified gives cause to believe they require identification.
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Im not sure about the MLK comment in particular, may have misremembered on that one. But he did get assassinated 1 month before he was set to kick off the Poor Peoples Party.
Im not sure what you missed re:Black Panthers
The other thing I didn’t mention previously was the amount of violent actions taken against citizens. Rainbow Coalition attacks, bombing a neighborhood, Kent State, and that’s just the Civil Rights era.
Doxxing isn’t inciting violence, its identification. Ive been doxxed before and i never felt threats of violence were coming my way.
Beyond that, I’ve never incited violence in any way like you’re describing. Maybe the fascists should be less violent if they’re worried about violent reprisals though?
That shipped sailed a long ass time ago. Normalcy won’t be returning anytime soon.
If you don’t show a badge and have a warrant, you’re not an officer, you’re an armed assailant.
They’re not recruiting the best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re recruiting people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems to us. They’re using drugs. They’re committing crimes. They’re rapists. And some, maybe, although unlikely, are good people.”
That was way too coherent. Try turning down the coherency about 80%.
That’s being generous
if you are in a car, you have right to use it to defend yourself from thugs/.
The names and photos should be assessable of all federal staff on US soil.
Yeah, they are PUBLIC servants. Their names are supposed to be public.
Not to mention that whole serving the public thing…
Tennessee Rep. Marsha Blackburn wants the identities of federal officials carrying out President Donald Trump’s deportation campaign to remain secret for security reasons. To that end, she introduced the Protecting Law Enforcement from Doxxing Act, which would make it illegal to publish the name of a federal law enforcement officer with the intent to obstruct a criminal investigation or immigration operation. Skinner, for his part, has proposed the opposite: to publish as many names of the officers and their collaborators as possible.
This list is for future prosecutions, and as such doesn’t run afoul of this proposed law.
So we are already at the point where ice agents will be put in prison?
They’re certianly afraid of it. The situation is not nearly as rigged as they want you to believe, that’s why they’re trying so hard to make it so
I just won’t blame the ICE agents for it, I’ll blame those that make decisions that lead to bad outcomes. This website doxxing ICE is a waste of time and energy. In my opinion its stepping backwards as well.
You don’t blame the ice agents for assaulting and kidnapping people?
No because they have been convinced they are being good citizens by doing it. They aren’t evil people being evil for shits and giggles. I will allow them the chance to redeem themselves and I will offer them forgiveness when the time comes, just like I would anyone else.
Internet purity tests just dont work out in real life. People dont live mistake free lives, nor do they ever stop learning.
It doesn’t matter that they’ve been convinced. I have access to all the same media, and I haven’t been convinced to join in with abusing people.
That’s because I have good Critical Thinking Skills, and I use them, especially to guide my morality to follow what I know is right, and not just what my worst emotions tell me. If I start to feel bigoted towards someone, I have the self-awareness to recognize it, and direct my thinking in a better direction.
MAGAs, and other stupid people, just accept their bigoted feelings, and act on them. Good people will suppress those feelings, and substitute moral and ethical thinking instead, and train their brain to think that way. It’s harder that just reacting to your emotions, but becoming a mature, positively-comtributing member of society takes effort.
So I don’t accept excuses like they needed the money, or they were only following orders, etc. They knew what they were signing up for, and most, if not all, did it because they saw a chance to wield evil power over vulnerable innocent people.
They are evil people, and defending them is evil as well.
You dont have access to the same media they do, thats not how it works with technology these days. Honestly, all I see is you trying to convince yourself you are a good person. Thats fine and all, but doesn’t help society much. Its a very selfish reaction to what’s happening now to use it to highlight what a good person you think you are, and what bad people they must be.
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No because they have been convinced they are being good citizens by doing it. Honestly, fuck you, germ !
I appreciate the Mac Miller reference.
In case you missed it:
I see extremely poorly trained and confused ICE agents. They seem somewhat scared as it goes on too. Every person in that video is a victim of what’s going on with american leadership.
with the intent to obstruct a criminal investigation or immigration operation.
Intent is often one of the hardest things to prove in court cases anyway, often requiring additional sources of information to assess state of mind (mens rhea). At least, in a society where law matters. That said, if we assume US law matters at all (which you should never assume considering its historical actions), the stated goal of the site is for future prosecutions, as you’ve said and I agree.
It’s about time. The only government employee that should have their identities held in secrecy are CIA agents. The rest can f-off and every single US taxpayer should know who is on the damn payroll. Fuck the US version of the RSHA and NKVD.
CIA agents aren’t government employees.
Or so you’ve led to believe.
A lot of the confusion comes from the fact that the FBI refers to is personnel as agents, whereas “agent” means something entirely different to the CIA.
CIA agents aren’t employees of the CIA, but are people in other positions that are being used by the CIA. This can include informants, spies, etc.
Name n shame these pricks
List of ICE, or LICE for short.
You got a LoICE-nse for that list?
