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Genuine retard, it always was genuine retard
None of them are geniuses, it’s just really hard to lose at capitalism when you have capital.
Its a human blind spot. A lot of people confuse wealth for intelligence. In lower socio-economic levels, succeeding involves a lot of intelligence. Its a fucking struggle. Lots of fish trying to eat each other and take what little resources we have. One fuck up and it’s all over. So anyone that is succeeding is also someone that with enough intelligence to foresee pitfalls and avoid them or escape with their wealth.
Those values are used to evaluate the people at the top which are swimming in a whole different pond. The neopotism and safety nets built into the upper crust of society is not part of the calculation that a lot of people use to factor into how they see these people. They still apply the same dog eat dog mentality to the upper crust of society.
honestly wealth at any level requires luck… intelligence barely factors into it. it’s less that 1 fuck up and it’s all over, and more that 1 fuck up without someone to cover it up or bail you out and it’s all over… the wealthier you are, the bigger the fuck up before you or someone else can bail you out:
poor? it’s an unexpected car issue
rich? it’s that you fucked over literally an entire country for years on end in a very public way that gained you very little
A lot of people confuse wealth for intelligence.
Smart people who make good products that people want will have the invisible hand distribute them wealth. Dumb people who make bad products that no one wants will go backrupt. This is the core philosophy behind why capitalism “works.” It is a system that conflates wealth with virtue, by design.
You’re right to point out that it is incorrect logic, but no one is confusing anything. The entirety of our Western world is build around this idea and reinforces it to its people at every single opportunity. They’re making the judgements that they have been told are correct. Can we really say people are confused when they’re confidently acting exactly as they’ve been taught from birth?
But Musk wants to be a trailblazer and prove that you can lose at anything.
I like the way you put it
Look I don’t like Musk either but even starting off wealthy becoming the richest man in the world takes some doing. He was way ahead of the curve on reusable rockets and EVs and succeed there where a bunch of people failed. I think where he fails is when it comes to protecting his image and maintaining relationships. He’s a thin-skinned narcissist who thinks he’s humanity’s savoir and eventually that got to him.
I guess Martin Eberhard and Marc Tarpenning were just hapless chaps stumbling around in the dark, until Elon lighted their way with his genius vision of how to build an EV. /s
So much so I had to google their names because even I can’t remember them.
Yeah pretty much haha
That…and developing some serious drug habits in recent years
Genuinely a retard and yes that is the correct word and stop trying to police it.
Don’t forget completely mismanaging Twitter, and turning it into even more of a cesspool.
that may have been entirely or mostly intentional, because it’s now 100% a right-wing propaganda machine and it got Trump elected
Don’t forget the lying. He always always lies to sell his shit, always has for decades now, and it works, people always lapped yo every dumb bullshit that came out of his mouth
Nobody has done more to disprove the “Rich people are smarter than everyone else” idea.
Remember a decade ago when he was being lauded as our time’s Einstein?
… Hahahahahahaha
Yeah by his own PR team, mostly, but it was a pretty easy fascade to see through when you actually listened to the man speak. Still don’t forgive Dan Harmon for letting him shit on R&M with the eLoN tUsK bullshit. Or Star Trek Discovery for that matter, which happened much later after he had already shown his true face to the world. I know Harmon got paid because he’s talked about it, but I would really like to know how much he spent on getting a passing reference in the least popular ST show of all time.
See also: Iron Man 2
The one where Tony blew him off and made him look a fool?
I would really like to know how much he spent on getting a passing reference in the least popular ST show of all time.
From what I have heard, that part of the line was not even scripted. The actor ad libbed it in hopes that it might lead to him being gifted a free Tesla vehicle.
EDIT: There was also the completely unrelated reference in a later episode, in which a character mentioned having gone to Musk Junior High School. That may have been a paid reference.
Damn, that’s somehow so much worse!
Forgot about the Musk jr high 🤦🤦🤦
My head canon is that in universe Musk Jr. High isn’t a real school and it’s just an edgy joke… the space version of saying you went to the “Adolf Hitler School for Tolerance and Friendship”
You say it for a laugh when you’re 14 or acting like it on Space 4Chan
Ah, the Terri Schiavo Academy. I love it.
Yeah I realized it as soon as I heard him on Joe Rogan. I was like “oh, this guy is actually not a super genius at all.”
Now I think he’s kind of a moron actually.
I knew it was a grift from the start because people who are kind and wise don’t spend millions purely to make sure I know how kind and wise they are.
A friend of mine has head canoned that the guy from Star Trek was joking about being from Elon Musk University and that it’s the old “Adolf Hitler School for Friendship and Tolerance” gag but in space.
I’m just gonna go with that because fuck it’s the equivalent of listing Deepak Chopra as one of the greatest philosophers of the 21st century in your hard sci-fi setting.
There was also an episode of Young Sheldon where Sheldon had sent equations for reusable rockets to NASA, and at the end of the episode it showed Elon buying the equations from NASA.
He was also in South Park, and Rick & Morty. He had a great PR team considering what they were working with behind the scenes. They dressed him up real nice.
Then he fired them, because he didn’t like having to wear anything in public. Metaphorically-speaking.
Common Disco L.
And I am proud to have called bullshit on it from day one.
Whoever leads us to the promised land isn’t going to have a for profit LLC
Well done. I’m like most people in that I didn’t spot it until he started talking about a subject I knew about. The first Tesla Roadster looked amazing1, and then the hyperloop sounded like a cool idea2, and then oh wait what’s he saying about software development now?
1 because its body was made by Lotus
2 except it doesn’t work
It wasn’t anything specific, it’s just… the idea of this guy being the real life Tony Stark didn’t pass the smell test. Not because he didn’t seem bright, but because I couldn’t believe ANYONE lived up to the hype that Elon had.
That and… well… the idea of the Private Corporation coming to save the day and guide us into a Utopia sounded way too much like a Libertarian Fantasy.
Yeah, he’s like LLMs in that regard. Sounds plausible until it’s a subject you don’t have much knowledge of, then suddenly turns into a dribbling twat when it’s one you do understand.
Then you realise he was an idiot all along.
I still cringe at him being mentioned in Star Trek Discovery…
Luckily that was evil mirror universe Lorca that said it, so it fits.
Which episode was this
Season 1 Episode 4
Ohmygod. Just saw it. Ew.
I’ve heard Tony Stark but not Einstein. I’d be insulted for Einstein.
Literally had someone saying that earlier today. Something along the lines of “you don’t become the richest person in the world without some competency.” Just ignore the fact he started on third base…
Not even. He started on home, he just claimed he ran there and for some reason people believed him even though he still had a bat in his hand.
Elon has had “Penisdick” written all over him since day one
I mean, yeah he had a lot of advantage, but he did have to do something right to become the richest man. But making some good gambles doesn’t make you a good person nor does it mean you’re great at everything.
Maybe he was good at finding companies at the right time to invest, but that means jack about any economic or political acumen. Same reason why we don’t want businessmen in politics, being good at one thing does not mean you’re good at everything.
He’s a modern day Wilbur Ross, with some edits on background and rich-parent launchpad thrown in.
I don’t know exactly how much his parents were worth, but his net worth has increased by many thousands of times. That’s not “third base”, saying he got where he is by luck and nepotism is just wilfully ignorant.
Trump, on the other hand, would have done better if he just left his money in a savings account.
I dunno, man, we could probably get into an entire dissertation about this, but I’m not totally convinced that most of these fabulously wealthy people didn’t just fail upwards by throwing the spaghetti plate at the wall; the only difference between them and us is that, often, they start with a lot more spaghetti to throw
Pretty much all of the three digit billions crowd are in tech of some description. There’s definitely an element of being in the right place at the right time, but there’s also a lot of business skills as well.
A lot of their success seems to be recognising an opportunity before anyone else, whether that’s luck or skill is difficult to know.
Most of their success comes from knowing when to fuck over other people
A lot of their success seems to be recognising an opportunity before anyone else
Pretty much everyone in the world has at some point in their lives had some idea or spotted some gap in the market that could be a successful product, but 99% of us don’t get to act on that because the rent is due and will be due again next month.
I largely agree with what you’re saying, but he’s been in the right place at the right time 3 times, and made good on the potential. Maybe he was just really lucky, maybe he had dozens of things going and those 3 are the ones that panned out, maybe he was a genius that destroyed his talents with hubris and drugs. Certainly, having the financial security to take those chances was a big factor in his success, as much as apparently believing that success was all due to his inborn talent was a big factor on his continuing fall from grace.
You’re familiar with survivor bias, yeah?
They hire people to do that for them, don’t they?
How do they know who’s full of shit and who knows what they’re talking about though?
Recomendations from others?
I genuinely think he’s had some sort of cognitive decline.
He went from being merely wealthy to the richest man in the world, and nearly everyone thinking he’s a genius, to being hated by nearly everyone and losing money fast.
Think is, he never was a genius - actually quite far off from it
He is just a spoiled boy having luck with gambling the money he got
Generally the truly smartest people (the ones who actually figure out spaceflight, electric vehicles, satellite internet) aren’t the wealthiest. Sure many of them end up pretty wealthy due to stock options, high salaries, companies competing for them and the like. But often at the end of the day they just retire into their wealth and spend their days traveling or living in their huge houses or whatever.
But the CEOs, the politicians, the investors, the self-labelled “Founders,” those approaching or in the 1%; For those it’s not about making something, doing their jobs, changing the world, etc. It’s about winning. They need to feel better than others. And for most of them that feeling never goes away. They rarely retire, and often even when they do they still pull strings from the background (see Bill Gates). Some psychopathic part of their brain makes it so their most important and purest drive is to constantly get to that next target, that next exponential stock valuation, that next acquisition, that next news broadcast they can jerk off to about how they beat someone else in a campaign or about how line go up or whatever.
So when these people are in the middle of their career, they’re relatively unnoticeable by most. They’re “founding” companies by employing those smarter than them with money they have. They’re selling said companies, moving on. They’re making shady deals, laundering money, because they are smart enough to beat the system and the system is against them because they’re so smart.
But for those that amass enough wealth like Elon, the drive never goes away. But what do you do after you’re the richest person in the world? Well, try to become the most powerful person in the world. But you can’t just run for office, the ketamine has told you that it’s faster to latch onto the recent rapid rise in fascism so you join up with Trump. Who gives a shit what kind of person he is, especially because eventually you’ll beat him. He’s a stepping stone for now, a boost pad to get you speaking with those who can get you real power, and more money because it’s never enough.
But thinking that everything in the world works like a startup, and if you just hire more college grads, crack the whip, take stimulants to stay up to ship the product in a completely inconceivable world (government and social policy) to what you’re used to (technology and product development), it all falls apart. And then when you’ve always had success with the investors siding with you because “line go up,” you suddenly don’t have success because “line don’t go up” in the white house and Trump is getting pressure to find something to cover up giving 2 trillion dollars to the rich and there’s no quick fix.
So you do more ketamine, lash out. You always knew trump was a pedo, a garbage human, but it didn’t matter because he was a stepping stone, so now, probably earlier than you’d like, you pull out your cards of putting him down in the hopes that you can get that power that you need because the money doesn’t matter now, feeling that you beat him is what’s most important.
Looks more like too much Ketamine to me.
And lots of drugs & yes-men.
The drugs are definitely part of what happened.
yeah that much power and money certainly does something to your brain, the guy can’t think straight anymore
Also the dude apparently does a lot of drugs.
Luigi?
Seriously? I thought Edison at best, but Einstein? What did this shithead discover, exactly?
Edit: whoops wrong comment to reply.
So he’s a hero after all?
the one we didn’t need but deserve
I wonder if Kimball, Leon’s brother, is involved and quietly working behind the scenes.
does he somehow hate success too?
He already has fuck you money so he doesn’t give any fucks.
Are you serious? He wants people to think he’s cool SO bad it’s genuinely so pathetic lol. All the other billionaires you could say that. But Elon is so desperate for people to think he’s this funny cool based guy it’s hilarious
That is partly true, but also he’s a strong narcissist. They make up their own stories. They’ll play up the feud to take eyes off of other bad shit.
Don’t think for a second he lost or he’s gone or it’s all over for him. He doesn’t see it that way.
He already got access to all the data he paid for.
I swear I have seen a comment very similar to this, not word for word, but pretty much similar structure and words and points describing Kanye.
Kanye is also rich, crazy, and a nazi
For now, he does have that yes, but his wealth is for a significant portion a house of cards built on the value of tesla stock. If the value of that stock falls far enough, lenders who gave him loans with tesla stock as collateral could margin call him, essentially asking for more collateral. That could make him the poorest person in the world quite quickly, i.e. billions in debt.
While you’re absolutely correct, even if Musk lost 99.7% percent of his wealth he would still be a billionaire (depending on whose net worth number you choose to use). I wouldn’t hold out seeing him in a bread line or starting a gofundme.
huh. showerthought:
broke: gofundme woke: sell shares/stocks bespoke: have your company subsidized by the state
The real question is whether the collapse of his house of cards will lead to a 99.7% loss of wealth or >100% loss. He won’t be a billionaire anymore if it’s the latter.
Yeah, he probably will. I know I’d be surprised if he didn’t have money squirreled away somewhere.
I’d also be surprised if no one goes after him for trying to run away from debts. If we know anything, it’s that most laws only apply when they benefit the rich, and he’ll be making a lot of rich people angry if it turns out he did have extra money squirreled away.
He could declare bankruptcy and be a billionaire again tomorrow.
And I don’t say this out of any kind of admiration for him; just there’s still enough moneyed rubes out there that he could set up a new company making plumbuses and it would hit unicorn status by the end of the day.
His very low self esteem shows otherwise.
I wonder if the trump cult also now hates him after saying he was the goat for the last 6 months.
What’s worse, democrats are already forming a line to kiss his nazi ass.
Who is? I know this is the narrative on Fox News, but I’ve yet to see any major Dems doing this.
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/06/05/elon-musk-democrats-donald-trump-00389961
centrist democrats oppose progressives and kiss nazi elon’s ass.
Your “durr everyone to my left is all the way to my right” shit makes me wonder where you are in the queue.
centrist Democrat. singular. one.
“tHe DeMoCrAtS LoVe ElOn” is a bullshit propaganda talking point. this is how propaganda works, and yall be falling for it.
I counted two in the article.
In addition to a few downplaying it in this thread.
*Rep Ro Khanna is trying to kiss his Nazi ass
The only other Dem mentioned in the article that you can try pinning that statement on simply said that he’s “a believer in redemption”, but that’s it really.
Do you believe in the redemption of elon musk?
Because I’m seeing the party that spent a whole assed year ignoring the Leahy law in order to sell weapons for genocide looking at a nazi and being like “you know, he’s not that bad.”
I believe that people have the capability of committing wrong-doings, even atrocities, only to come around later and realize that they were in the wrong and can attempt to make up for it in life.
Do I believe that Elon Musk has redeemed himself? No. I do believe he has the capability to do so though, eventually. Do I believe that he should receive punishment for his wrongdoings? Yes. Same for Trump.
In regards to the statement about Dems siding with Nazis, don’t use labels to throw everyone under the same blanket and judge them all equally harshly. Everyone is an individual, and their actions should be judged as such. If there’s a Democrat that acted in such a way, by all means call them out and we’ll all hate on them together.
In regards to the statement about Dems siding with Nazis, don’t use labels to throw everyone under the same blanket and judge them all equally harshly.
I will judge anyone who sides with nazis harshly. Minimizing it like you’re doing just gives others cover to also side with nazis.
No one in your linked article is a leader in the party - just a lot of conjecture there to make the Dems the bad guys and reinforce the “both parties are the same” narrative that your ilk like to spread.
No one in your linked article is a leader in the party
I didn’t say they were. They seem to be choosing a leader who is in line with centrist values. Which is to say, he has money and is a reprehensible piece of shit.
- just a lot of conjecture there to make the Dems the bad guys
Conjecture doesn’t typically involve direct quotes from sitting legislators.
and reinforce the “both parties are the same” narrative that your ilk like to spread.
You are fine with your party kissing nazi ass. Just not anyone pointing it out. I’d tell you to demand better, but it’s clear that you think you’re getting it already.
Just admit it - no leaders or even major legislators in the Dem party is kissing Nazi ass. The article has non specific quotes from guys I’ve never heard of. Just more right wing misinformation for Lemmings such as yourself.
Just admit it - no leaders or even major legislators in the Dem party is kissing Nazi ass.
I never made that assertion. Elon is the leader the democrats in the article (and those in this thread minimizing this) have chosen.
Just more right wing misinformation for Lemmings such as yourself.
Everyone to the left of your boy elon is “right wing” to you.
Next stop: Build an underwater city.
Hey, you need a taxi?
I wish more billionaires would get on those… and visit WW1 era military shipwrecks…
spoiler
The reason why that is a terrible idea is because during WW1, many naval artillery shells used picric acid as an explosive filler, picric acid reacts readily with metals to form highly sensitive picrate salts that are very sensitive to detonation upon being disturbed. Meaning messing with them even slightly has a significant risk of a massive underwater explosion happening. WW1 era military shipwrecks are strictly off limits to divers for that very reason.
I’ll donate my Playstation controllers for his scouting sub.
Would you kindly…?
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The thing is, this turd burgler could lose millions a day for the rest of his life and still retire more well-off than just about anybody. When’s the last time a truly filthy rich person ended up in the gutter?
If his wealth were a US treasury bond, he’d have to spend at least $50,000,000 every DAY in order to not still keep getting richer.
Take a moment to think about how difficult it is to spend $50,000,000. If I gave you 24 hours to do it using Brewster’s Millions rules, you’d struggle.
There is no good reason for billionaires to exist.
Mark Bankstone could help him do it
filthy rich person ended up in the gutter?
there’s not much that i like about the american healthcare system but the idea of fElon eventually ending up bankrupt because of that fucking black eye really had me thinking “maybe there’s something to this”
He collected data on all Americans from multiple government agencies, successfully killed multiple investigations into several of his companies, and secured additional government contracts for those companies. Is that what we’re calling nothing these days?
And Trump is now threatening to cancel those government contracts. So he’s blown everything he’s gained (and then some) from his little fling with Trump.
That’s what trump does. He threatens. Then in the majority of times he gets distracted or backs down. Those contracts aren’t cancelled until they are cancelled.
Yeah he’s all TACO when doing things that’ll break the economy. But killing SpaceX won’t break the economy and he’s looking for something he can do that’ll make him appear strong. I wouldn’t bet either way on this, they’re both nutjobs.
I don’t know. Trump despises California to begin with and he has threatened to cut off federal funding to the state.
Even if we assume those contracts get canceled, unless they force him to destroy that data (which probably isn’t possible at this point) and reopen all those investigations then that’s not really true, is it?
TACO
He collected data on all Americans from multiple government agencies, successfully killed multiple investigations into several of his companies, and secured additional government contracts for those companies. Is that what we’re calling nothing these days?
But he also inflicted a lot of long-term damage upon himself and his businesses. So the question in the post still stands.
How will he benefit from the data he collected? He’s not in advertising and even if he were a snapshot isn’t worth much - you’d need an ongoing stream. Location data from teslas would be more valuable than the data could’ve stolen with doge.
Musk learned the hard way why other billionaires don’t get directly involved in politics, and buy politicians instead. That way they get what they want, but let the politicians take the heat for pushing through the billionaires agendas.
The problem for Musk is that his ego wouldn’t allow him to sit quietly on the sidelines calling the shots. He had to prove how smart he was, and how he was the only one who could fix the government. Now, he’s pissed off almost everyone, has lost various large foreign contracts for his companies, drove sales of Tesla into the ground, and is watching Trump undo the “brilliant” governmental cost cutting that he did.
And, his ego still won’t let it go, as now he’s suggested he’ll start his own political party. You just know the other billionaires are looking at him and going “What a dumbass!”
And still some dumb Americans will think:
“Billionnaires got a lot of wealth, so they must know what they’re doing. Let them fix it.”
When the actual answer is:
“Billionnaires never once worked as much as we did. They got born with a fuckton of money. Let them eat cake.”
I had to look it up. Pajeet is a racial slur in SE Asia, apparently.
Leave it to 4chan to import all the slurs from around the world
Perhaps even less surprising, this particular racial slur apparently came from 4chan.
I am seeing the slur in Instagram as well.
By came from I mean it originated from there.
Is it actually a slur, or just a stereotypical sounding name? Because if its the second isn’t it just like Barry eating his 3rd pie and chips of the afternoon with a pint of wife beater?
It’s both a stereotypical sounding “name” and a slur in the way 4chan uses it. They don’t mean a specific type of Indian person, they mean an Indian person. It’s not used like how some Brits use ‘Barry’ to mean a foolish person or Americans use ‘Karen’ to mean an entitled person.
I’m pretty sure it isn’t even actually a real name, it just sounds like it should be to racists.
Yeah probably this. There’s other examples, like calling Soviet citizens “Ivan” in a derogatory way.
Sometimes Internet racism really confuses me. So Indians are in this case bad because they are… particularly likely to be Musk stans? Forgiving of rich people who fall from grace? Just generally not hateful people? I don’t get it.
So Indians are in this case bad because they are… particularly likely to be Musk stans? Forgiving of rich people who fall from grace?
I don’t know anything about Indian people to comment on how they are but in general, yes if you have an ounce of forgiveness for Elon or anyone like him you are a bad person. His kind should have absolutely nowhere to turn to at this point after the damage they’ve done. They’re beyond salvation, anything less than excommunicating them from society is enabling them.
You mean S Asia? India isn’t exactly east…
Not the point.
Even if he loses hundreds of billions of dollars he’s still richer than like 99% of individual people worldwide will ever be.
I will save the schadenfreude for when he pays for the deaths of men, women, and children who were denied care from the USAID funds being cut.
He won’t though because although what he did is immoral it wasn’t illegal. After all the president of the United States authorised these actions they must be legal.
Financially he’s going to suffer but there’s nothing in law that can be done to him.
We’ve both seen how quickly the legislative landscape can change, let’s not write this loss off just yet.
