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If all you have is intellectual dishonesty, you’re finally out of ideas and cornered
None of them are geniuses, it’s just really hard to lose at capitalism when you have capital.
Its a human blind spot. A lot of people confuse wealth for intelligence. In lower socio-economic levels, succeeding involves a lot of intelligence. Its a fucking struggle. Lots of fish trying to eat each other and take what little resources we have. One fuck up and it’s all over. So anyone that is succeeding is also someone that with enough intelligence to foresee pitfalls and avoid them or escape with their wealth.
Those values are used to evaluate the people at the top which are swimming in a whole different pond. The neopotism and safety nets built into the upper crust of society is not part of the calculation that a lot of people use to factor into how they see these people. They still apply the same dog eat dog mentality to the upper crust of society.
honestly wealth at any level requires luck… intelligence barely factors into it. it’s less that 1 fuck up and it’s all over, and more that 1 fuck up without someone to cover it up or bail you out and it’s all over… the wealthier you are, the bigger the fuck up before you or someone else can bail you out:
poor? it’s an unexpected car issue
rich? it’s that you fucked over literally an entire country for years on end in a very public way that gained you very little
A lot of people confuse wealth for intelligence.
Smart people who make good products that people want will have the invisible hand distribute them wealth. Dumb people who make bad products that no one wants will go backrupt. This is the core philosophy behind why capitalism “works.” It is a system that conflates wealth with virtue, by design.
You’re right to point out that it is incorrect logic, but no one is confusing anything. The entirety of our Western world is build around this idea and reinforces it to its people at every single opportunity. They’re making the judgements that they have been told are correct. Can we really say people are confused when they’re confidently acting exactly as they’ve been taught from birth?
But Musk wants to be a trailblazer and prove that you can lose at anything.
I like the way you put it
Look I don’t like Musk either but even starting off wealthy becoming the richest man in the world takes some doing. He was way ahead of the curve on reusable rockets and EVs and succeed there where a bunch of people failed. I think where he fails is when it comes to protecting his image and maintaining relationships. He’s a thin-skinned narcissist who thinks he’s humanity’s savoir and eventually that got to him.
I guess Martin Eberhard and Marc Tarpenning were just hapless chaps stumbling around in the dark, until Elon lighted their way with his genius vision of how to build an EV. /s
So much so I had to google their names because even I can’t remember them.
Yeah pretty much haha
That…and developing some serious drug habits in recent years
He collected data on all Americans from multiple government agencies, successfully killed multiple investigations into several of his companies, and secured additional government contracts for those companies. Is that what we’re calling nothing these days?
And Trump is now threatening to cancel those government contracts. So he’s blown everything he’s gained (and then some) from his little fling with Trump.
That’s what trump does. He threatens. Then in the majority of times he gets distracted or backs down. Those contracts aren’t cancelled until they are cancelled.
Yeah he’s all TACO when doing things that’ll break the economy. But killing SpaceX won’t break the economy and he’s looking for something he can do that’ll make him appear strong. I wouldn’t bet either way on this, they’re both nutjobs.
I don’t know. Trump despises California to begin with and he has threatened to cut off federal funding to the state.
Even if we assume those contracts get canceled, unless they force him to destroy that data (which probably isn’t possible at this point) and reopen all those investigations then that’s not really true, is it?
TACO
He collected data on all Americans from multiple government agencies, successfully killed multiple investigations into several of his companies, and secured additional government contracts for those companies. Is that what we’re calling nothing these days?
But he also inflicted a lot of long-term damage upon himself and his businesses. So the question in the post still stands.
How will he benefit from the data he collected? He’s not in advertising and even if he were a snapshot isn’t worth much - you’d need an ongoing stream. Location data from teslas would be more valuable than the data could’ve stolen with doge.
Musk learned the hard way why other billionaires don’t get directly involved in politics, and buy politicians instead. That way they get what they want, but let the politicians take the heat for pushing through the billionaires agendas.
The problem for Musk is that his ego wouldn’t allow him to sit quietly on the sidelines calling the shots. He had to prove how smart he was, and how he was the only one who could fix the government. Now, he’s pissed off almost everyone, has lost various large foreign contracts for his companies, drove sales of Tesla into the ground, and is watching Trump undo the “brilliant” governmental cost cutting that he did.
And, his ego still won’t let it go, as now he’s suggested he’ll start his own political party. You just know the other billionaires are looking at him and going “What a dumbass!”
And still some dumb Americans will think:
“Billionnaires got a lot of wealth, so they must know what they’re doing. Let them fix it.”
When the actual answer is:
“Billionnaires never once worked as much as we did. They got born with a fuckton of money. Let them eat cake.”
Genuine retard, it always was genuine retard
The thing is, this turd burgler could lose millions a day for the rest of his life and still retire more well-off than just about anybody. When’s the last time a truly filthy rich person ended up in the gutter?
If his wealth were a US treasury bond, he’d have to spend at least $50,000,000 every DAY in order to not still keep getting richer.
Take a moment to think about how difficult it is to spend $50,000,000. If I gave you 24 hours to do it using Brewster’s Millions rules, you’d struggle.
There is no good reason for billionaires to exist.
filthy rich person ended up in the gutter?
there’s not much that i like about the american healthcare system but the idea of fElon eventually ending up bankrupt because of that fucking black eye really had me thinking “maybe there’s something to this”
Mark Bankstone could help him do it
I had to look it up. Pajeet is a racial slur in SE Asia, apparently.
Leave it to 4chan to import all the slurs from around the world
Perhaps even less surprising, this particular racial slur apparently came from 4chan.
I am seeing the slur in Instagram as well.
By came from I mean it originated from there.
Is it actually a slur, or just a stereotypical sounding name? Because if its the second isn’t it just like Barry eating his 3rd pie and chips of the afternoon with a pint of wife beater?
It’s both a stereotypical sounding “name” and a slur in the way 4chan uses it. They don’t mean a specific type of Indian person, they mean an Indian person. It’s not used like how some Brits use ‘Barry’ to mean a foolish person or Americans use ‘Karen’ to mean an entitled person.
I’m pretty sure it isn’t even actually a real name, it just sounds like it should be to racists.
Yeah probably this. There’s other examples, like calling Soviet citizens “Ivan” in a derogatory way.
Sometimes Internet racism really confuses me. So Indians are in this case bad because they are… particularly likely to be Musk stans? Forgiving of rich people who fall from grace? Just generally not hateful people? I don’t get it.
So Indians are in this case bad because they are… particularly likely to be Musk stans? Forgiving of rich people who fall from grace?
I don’t know anything about Indian people to comment on how they are but in general, yes if you have an ounce of forgiveness for Elon or anyone like him you are a bad person. His kind should have absolutely nowhere to turn to at this point after the damage they’ve done. They’re beyond salvation, anything less than excommunicating them from society is enabling them.
You mean S Asia? India isn’t exactly east…
Not the point.
Even if he loses hundreds of billions of dollars he’s still richer than like 99% of individual people worldwide will ever be.
I will save the schadenfreude for when he pays for the deaths of men, women, and children who were denied care from the USAID funds being cut.
He won’t though because although what he did is immoral it wasn’t illegal. After all the president of the United States authorised these actions they must be legal.
Financially he’s going to suffer but there’s nothing in law that can be done to him.
We’ve both seen how quickly the legislative landscape can change, let’s not write this loss off just yet.
Genuinely a retard and yes that is the correct word and stop trying to police it.
No. If you use a slur about disabled people to insult anyone, you’re just an asshole. No matter what a disgusting piece of shit anyone is, using that word to insult is just awful.
Ray Bradbury’s Fahrenheit 451 was about people like you.
Also, your comment is offensive to fecalphiliacs
Are you serious? Like, someone says “please don’t use shitty slurs that discriminating disabled people” and your instinctive reaction is “THEY SILENCE ME AND CRIMINALIZE KNOWLEDGE”. That’s just pathetic. You can be an asshole, but get over being called one then.
And unrelated, but Fahrenheit is an awful book lol. Good dystopias are 1984, Brave New World or We. Fahrenheit 451 is just the author mad about television and saying that it’s so stupid and will ruin everyone’s brain. While the thought itself of knowledge being forbidden can be interesting and is an element in other dystopias, Fahrenheit is mainly based on the pure belief that books are a better medium than television, which is beyond ridiculous.
TIL you haven’t read Fahrenheit 451
Next stop: Build an underwater city.
Hey, you need a taxi?
I wish more billionaires would get on those… and visit WW1 era military shipwrecks…
spoiler
The reason why that is a terrible idea is because during WW1, many naval artillery shells used picric acid as an explosive filler, picric acid reacts readily with metals to form highly sensitive picrate salts that are very sensitive to detonation upon being disturbed. Meaning messing with them even slightly has a significant risk of a massive underwater explosion happening. WW1 era military shipwrecks are strictly off limits to divers for that very reason.
I’ll donate my Playstation controllers for his scouting sub.
Would you kindly…?
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He already has fuck you money so he doesn’t give any fucks.
Are you serious? He wants people to think he’s cool SO bad it’s genuinely so pathetic lol. All the other billionaires you could say that. But Elon is so desperate for people to think he’s this funny cool based guy it’s hilarious
That is partly true, but also he’s a strong narcissist. They make up their own stories. They’ll play up the feud to take eyes off of other bad shit.
Don’t think for a second he lost or he’s gone or it’s all over for him. He doesn’t see it that way.
He already got access to all the data he paid for.
I swear I have seen a comment very similar to this, not word for word, but pretty much similar structure and words and points describing Kanye.
Kanye is also rich, crazy, and a nazi
For now, he does have that yes, but his wealth is for a significant portion a house of cards built on the value of tesla stock. If the value of that stock falls far enough, lenders who gave him loans with tesla stock as collateral could margin call him, essentially asking for more collateral. That could make him the poorest person in the world quite quickly, i.e. billions in debt.
While you’re absolutely correct, even if Musk lost 99.7% percent of his wealth he would still be a billionaire (depending on whose net worth number you choose to use). I wouldn’t hold out seeing him in a bread line or starting a gofundme.
huh. showerthought:
broke: gofundme woke: sell shares/stocks bespoke: have your company subsidized by the state
The real question is whether the collapse of his house of cards will lead to a 99.7% loss of wealth or >100% loss. He won’t be a billionaire anymore if it’s the latter.
Yeah, he probably will. I know I’d be surprised if he didn’t have money squirreled away somewhere.
I’d also be surprised if no one goes after him for trying to run away from debts. If we know anything, it’s that most laws only apply when they benefit the rich, and he’ll be making a lot of rich people angry if it turns out he did have extra money squirreled away.
He could declare bankruptcy and be a billionaire again tomorrow.
And I don’t say this out of any kind of admiration for him; just there’s still enough moneyed rubes out there that he could set up a new company making plumbuses and it would hit unicorn status by the end of the day.
His very low self esteem shows otherwise.
Don’t forget completely mismanaging Twitter, and turning it into even more of a cesspool.
that may have been entirely or mostly intentional, because it’s now 100% a right-wing propaganda machine and it got Trump elected
Don’t forget the lying. He always always lies to sell his shit, always has for decades now, and it works, people always lapped yo every dumb bullshit that came out of his mouth
Somehow nobody has mentioned the drugs? And obvious signs of mental illness? Obviously high functioning, but that does not make the decisions less nuts.
Has anybody seen the Johnny Harris video on musk? It was all fun and games until the drugs came out to play.
Peter Thiel also does a shit ton of drugs and you don’t see him spiralling this hard
I’m convinced that Thiel is spared this fate solely by his homosexuality and shame in it. He understands the value of keeping some things close to the chest and the risks of being the face of anything. He just came to it in a sad and fucked up way.
Comparatively, Musk thinks himself a glorious hero who should be the face of everything.
Thiel rarely puts himself in any spotlight unless he’s either curated it, or drugged up, freaked out, and kinda losing it.
Did you read the interview with his former fixer / event manager / third? Very interesting.
No I haven’t. Could you link it?
Oh, yeah that’s really hard to find. There’s a bit in this Intercept articles about Jeff Thomas’s death but I’m pretty sure it was a much longer article I read.
Death of Peter Thiel Romantic Partner Investigated as Suicide - https://theintercept.com/2023/03/23/peter-thiel-jeff-thomas/
Oh jeez that’s not great
I wonder if the trump cult also now hates him after saying he was the goat for the last 6 months.
What’s worse, democrats are already forming a line to kiss his nazi ass.
Who is? I know this is the narrative on Fox News, but I’ve yet to see any major Dems doing this.
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/06/05/elon-musk-democrats-donald-trump-00389961
centrist democrats oppose progressives and kiss nazi elon’s ass.
Your “durr everyone to my left is all the way to my right” shit makes me wonder where you are in the queue.
centrist Democrat. singular. one.
“tHe DeMoCrAtS LoVe ElOn” is a bullshit propaganda talking point. this is how propaganda works, and yall be falling for it.
I counted two in the article.
In addition to a few downplaying it in this thread.
*Rep Ro Khanna is trying to kiss his Nazi ass
The only other Dem mentioned in the article that you can try pinning that statement on simply said that he’s “a believer in redemption”, but that’s it really.
Do you believe in the redemption of elon musk?
Because I’m seeing the party that spent a whole assed year ignoring the Leahy law in order to sell weapons for genocide looking at a nazi and being like “you know, he’s not that bad.”
I believe that people have the capability of committing wrong-doings, even atrocities, only to come around later and realize that they were in the wrong and can attempt to make up for it in life.
Do I believe that Elon Musk has redeemed himself? No. I do believe he has the capability to do so though, eventually. Do I believe that he should receive punishment for his wrongdoings? Yes. Same for Trump.
In regards to the statement about Dems siding with Nazis, don’t use labels to throw everyone under the same blanket and judge them all equally harshly. Everyone is an individual, and their actions should be judged as such. If there’s a Democrat that acted in such a way, by all means call them out and we’ll all hate on them together.
In regards to the statement about Dems siding with Nazis, don’t use labels to throw everyone under the same blanket and judge them all equally harshly.
I will judge anyone who sides with nazis harshly. Minimizing it like you’re doing just gives others cover to also side with nazis.
No one in your linked article is a leader in the party - just a lot of conjecture there to make the Dems the bad guys and reinforce the “both parties are the same” narrative that your ilk like to spread.
No one in your linked article is a leader in the party
I didn’t say they were. They seem to be choosing a leader who is in line with centrist values. Which is to say, he has money and is a reprehensible piece of shit.
- just a lot of conjecture there to make the Dems the bad guys
Conjecture doesn’t typically involve direct quotes from sitting legislators.
and reinforce the “both parties are the same” narrative that your ilk like to spread.
You are fine with your party kissing nazi ass. Just not anyone pointing it out. I’d tell you to demand better, but it’s clear that you think you’re getting it already.
Just admit it - no leaders or even major legislators in the Dem party is kissing Nazi ass. The article has non specific quotes from guys I’ve never heard of. Just more right wing misinformation for Lemmings such as yourself.
Just admit it - no leaders or even major legislators in the Dem party is kissing Nazi ass.
I never made that assertion. Elon is the leader the democrats in the article (and those in this thread minimizing this) have chosen.
Just more right wing misinformation for Lemmings such as yourself.
Everyone to the left of your boy elon is “right wing” to you.
