U.S. — Patriotic Americans coast to coast raised a collective cheer today after hearing news that conservatism itself had been saved as a Muslim sex trafficker had been safely and triumphantly brought back to the U.S.
I assume he’s about as much a Muslim as trump is a Christian (ie only when it’s convenient, and he probably doesn’t know what all those words mean in that order, anyway)
He converted in 2022 to boost his standing in Dubai with crypto traders
The funny thing is, Muslims will absolutely discipline their own, and most tend to not like abuse of women, especially how Tate does it. There’s morally allowed abuses of women in some sects, but they have to be seen as justified in some regard - eg rejecting a MARRIAGE proposal might result in an acid attack. A man preying on women to sleep with him, no marriage, like how Tate does it and speaks about it, goes against everything I’m aware of in the Quran and could result in a jihad response afaik (not violent jihad per se).
He’s just so disrespectful and arrogant he thinks no one will touch him.
Are you suggesting that there are mainstream (are other) sects of Islam that teach that the “justified” response to a marriage proposal rejection is an acid attack…?
There are extremist sects of Islam (not the vast majority of Muslims, who are extremely charitable and who invented the first hospital, which was free, among many other things) that have incorporated acid attacks on women as a form of what they see as valid punishment, yes, and they have supporters who think this is a good thing to do and that the women deserve it for tempting the men. It is not ONLY people in these groups or who are Muslim who do acid attacks ofc, acid attacks are a global issue.
I have seen interviews and discussions by women who’ve been attacked with acid and that is what they describe in terms of public sentiment (“she deserved it,”) and thus their advocacy work centralizes around changing those beliefs.
That’s a societal issue. You still haven’t sourced which sect justifies it. If you said something like this with Judaism, you would be called an anti semite. You are making up a claim with some examples, not proving your claim. Or do you just not understand what a sect means?
There are extremist sects of Islam that have incorporated acid attacks on women as a form of what they see as valid punishment, yes
Such attacks or threats against women who failed to wear hijab, dress “modestly” or otherwise threaten traditional norms have been reported in Afghanistan.[111] In November 2008, extremists subjected girls to acid attacks for attending school.
The attacks appeared to be the work of the Taliban, the fundamentalist movement that is battling the government and the American-led coalition. Banning girls from school was one of the most notorious symbols of the Taliban’s rule before they were ousted from power in November 2001.
The Levant
In 1983, acid attacks were reported to be carried out by Mujama al-Islamiya against men and women who spoke out against the Mujama in the Islamic University of Gaza.[123] Additional attacks by Mujama al-Islamiya were reported through 1986
During the First Intifada, Hamas and other Islamist factions conducted an organized intimidation of women to dress “modestly” or wear the hijab. Circulars were distributed specifying proper modest dress and behavior. Women who did not conform to these expectations, or to “morality expectations” of secular factions, were vulnerable to attacks which included pouring acid on their bodies, rock pelting, threats, and even rape.[125][123][126] B’Tselem has also documented additional attacks with acid in specific attacks involving women in a collaboration context.
In 2006–07, as part of a wider campaign to enforce Islamist moral conduct, the al-Qaida affiliated “Suyuf al-Haq” (Swords of Righteousness) claimed to have thrown acid on the faces of “immodestly” dressed woman in Gaza as well as engaging in intimidation via threats.
And I’m totally comfortable saying that there are Jewish extremist groups who commit terrorism to harm others as well. And there’s Christian and Buddhist groups that do that as well. It’s not antisemitic or Islamophobic to literally describe what people are doing, per survivors from those groups. That it makes those specific Islamic groups look bad is, well, on them. Don’t burn people with acid. Don’t genocide Gazans. Etc.
And as I’ve already said, yes, other people and other groups burn people with acid too. That’s not really relevant to my original comment though, which is about how Islamic sects will likely not tolerate someone like the Tates, even if those same people do other things that harm women. Yes, there is abuse of women in Islam with some groups, including acid attacks, but that abuse is often informed by the moral code of those practitioners and absolutely nothing the Tates do is justifiable by the religion. The idea of the Prophet Mohammed being okay with sex trafficking - that’s extremely offensive. It’s an extreme moral incompatibility that will likely result in conflict since he is harming real people pretty indiscriminately.
Jihad doesn’t mean punishment. You mean sharia law? Also the acid comment is just absurdly made up. Rejecting a marriage proposal doesn’t justify even verbal abuse, idk what sources you have. Just spouting bs.
Jihad means to fight against evil - Tate’s actions are evil in the eyes of Islam and most people in the world.
I don’t mean Sharia Law.
I never said acid attacks are justified. I’m saying that even to these men who attack women with acid, what the Tates are doing and did is abhorrent to even someone like that.
And here, about acid attacks by Islamic groups, there’s a bunch, idk why you all who literally don’t care about women even slightly have to act like you know anything about acid attacks or what women go through, but you have to deny it outright because…?
I gave sources further down the chain and already explained acid attacks are worldwide and not confined to Islam.
Such attacks or threats against women who failed to wear hijab, dress “modestly” or otherwise threaten traditional norms have been reported in Afghanistan.[111] In November 2008, extremists subjected girls to acid attacks for attending school.
The attacks appeared to be the work of the Taliban, the fundamentalist movement that is battling the government and the American-led coalition. Banning girls from school was one of the most notorious symbols of the Taliban’s rule before they were ousted from power in November 2001.
The Levant
In 1983, acid attacks were reported to be carried out by Mujama al-Islamiya against men and women who spoke out against the Mujama in the Islamic University of Gaza.[123] Additional attacks by Mujama al-Islamiya were reported through 1986
During the First Intifada, Hamas and other Islamist factions conducted an organized intimidation of women to dress “modestly” or wear the hijab. Circulars were distributed specifying proper modest dress and behavior. Women who did not conform to these expectations, or to “morality expectations” of secular factions, were vulnerable to attacks which included pouring acid on their bodies, rock pelting, threats, and even rape.[125][123][126] B’Tselem has also documented additional attacks with acid in specific attacks involving women in a collaboration context.
In 2006–07, as part of a wider campaign to enforce Islamist moral conduct, the al-Qaida affiliated “Suyuf al-Haq” (Swords of Righteousness) claimed to have thrown acid on the faces of “immodestly” dressed woman in Gaza as well as engaging in intimidation via threats.
I understood your intent but mixing it with absurd statements is not something I agree with. Using taliban as a “sect” is simply rubbish. I know how disgustingly violent and misogynist they are. You are simply arguing bad faith if you talk as if taliban is a “sect” that Anyone outside Afghanistan can follow. It’s a terror regime, not a sect.
I noticed this a lot. When speaking for muslims, people always add these dehumanising disclaimers. No one talks about israeli oppression or bizarre jewish laws when speaking up against anti-sematism. Same goes for topics like hate against indians abroad. No one adds a disclaimer except when it’s about muslims. “Hey, they have the right to live. Even though they are probably bombers, don’t harm them!” Tired of this bs
NYT the same guys that posted about 40 beheaded babies? Sure I’ll believe it. You simply have no knowledge regarding this topic. I’m blocking you.
Sounds like I was correct, and there were more groups than just the Taliban that were listed anyway.
I wasn’t speaking “for” Muslims, I was pointing out the incongruence in Tate’s behavior and how that will clash with Muslim values and possibly extremists, made aware because he’s infamous.
No one talks about israeli oppression or bizarre jewish laws when speaking up against anti-sematism.
I wasn’t speaking up against Islamophobia. I was talking about how a recent convert to Islam, who is a horrible terrible human trafficker and rapist, is so bad that he may trigger the ire of extremists in the religion he joined TO SCAM PEOPLE via crypto. That’s why they were mentioned- as a comparison to Tate.
And I see Jewish hate often now that it’s cool to hate Israel, and Indian hate to a lesser degree. Further, you bringing up Jews and Indians - they are pretty classic groups many Muslims hate. So you’re entirely aware they indeed get criticism and that’s probably why you specifically mention them and not Christians. Seems racist of you.
“Hey, they have the right to live. Even though they are probably bombers, don’t harm them!” Tired of this bs
I wasn’t talking about rights. You’re tired of BS you’re inventing to be upset about, maybe stop doing that.
You’re welcome to disregard the NYT link and see the other examples listed.
There’s morally allowed abuses of women in some sects, but they have to be seen as justified in some regard - eg rejecting a MARRIAGE proposal might result in an acid attack
You don’t have to say everything, it’s implied. You chimed into the conversation with a useless example no one asked for. Could you have also read what you linked and understood if it’s irrelevant, but you dont cause it doesnt fit with your muslims=bad narrative. Fk off.
There’s morally allowed abuses of women in some sects, but they have to be seen as justified in some regard - eg rejecting a MARRIAGE proposal might result in an acid attack
Yes, women aren’t going to be attacked by these same extremist men if they reject things like being trafficked or having premarital sex with them, because that’s what those women are supposed to do within tbe religion. They get attacked for things like rejecting Islam, rejecting hair covers, or rejecting MARRIAGE proposals - and the Tates aren’t marrying these women - that’s a big deal. They are acting way outside of the norms of Islam in general, even the extreme sides that don’t tend to treat women well.
And btw! I’m repeating info from LITERAL SURVIVORS OF ACID ATTACKS WHO ARE MUSLIM. So if they are Islamophobic, take it up with them.
You really can’t read or comprehend huh. IntereInteresting individual.
So if they are Islamophobic, take it up with them.
They are not. You are. I read the links you gave and none of them provide any “sect” or blame any specific person or group. Do you understand english? No one justifies this. I’m not saying there aren’t horrendous people that do but not anyone that does it based on a pronciple, book, etc.
So you claim some jews to be baby killers because some extremist was boasting about it in an US university? It’s an absurd statement just like this. Stop making up narratives from an example. I asked a source not an acid victim example.
if they reject things like being trafficked or having premarital sex with them, because that’s what those women are supposed to do within tbe religion
Oh pardon me for chiming into your conversation on a public forum! Get over yourself, you act like you’re interested in a conversation but all you want is confirmation of what your already think.
Here, and I also never said it was widespread and was simply comparing the “worst” treatment of women in Islam to the treatment the Tates give women, and was comparing how their abuse of women is WELL outside of anything even extremists would tolerate. Premarital sex is a huge no no, especially trafficking women, filming them, pimping them- that’s HIGHLY offensive to Islamic beliefs. They are not compatible with the morals of Islam.
Such attacks or threats against women who failed to wear hijab, dress “modestly” or otherwise threaten traditional norms have been reported in Afghanistan.[111] In November 2008, extremists subjected girls to acid attacks for attending school.
The attacks appeared to be the work of the Taliban, the fundamentalist movement that is battling the government and the American-led coalition. Banning girls from school was one of the most notorious symbols of the Taliban’s rule before they were ousted from power in November 2001.
The Levant
In 1983, acid attacks were reported to be carried out by Mujama al-Islamiya against men and women who spoke out against the Mujama in the Islamic University of Gaza.[123] Additional attacks by Mujama al-Islamiya were reported through 1986
During the First Intifada, Hamas and other Islamist factions conducted an organized intimidation of women to dress “modestly” or wear the hijab. Circulars were distributed specifying proper modest dress and behavior. Women who did not conform to these expectations, or to “morality expectations” of secular factions, were vulnerable to attacks which included pouring acid on their bodies, rock pelting, threats, and even rape.[125][123][126] B’Tselem has also documented additional attacks with acid in specific attacks involving women in a collaboration context.
In 2006–07, as part of a wider campaign to enforce Islamist moral conduct, the al-Qaida affiliated “Suyuf al-Haq” (Swords of Righteousness) claimed to have thrown acid on the faces of “immodestly” dressed woman in Gaza as well as engaging in intimidation via threats.
I had no idea he was Muslim.
He literally got into Islam for the misogyny.
He said he reverted in prison a few years ago but lately started dropping the act. Now that he is out of prison he will likely drop it.
I assume he’s about as much a Muslim as trump is a Christian (ie only when it’s convenient, and he probably doesn’t know what all those words mean in that order, anyway)
He became Muslim because of the misogyny and incels of the religion, he’s in for the grift, much like Russel brand became “born again”
He’s probably about as Muslim as a brick with the word “Muslim” painted on it.
He reverted ig
He converted in 2022 to boost his standing in Dubai with crypto traders
The funny thing is, Muslims will absolutely discipline their own, and most tend to not like abuse of women, especially how Tate does it. There’s morally allowed abuses of women in some sects, but they have to be seen as justified in some regard - eg rejecting a MARRIAGE proposal might result in an acid attack. A man preying on women to sleep with him, no marriage, like how Tate does it and speaks about it, goes against everything I’m aware of in the Quran and could result in a jihad response afaik (not violent jihad per se).
He’s just so disrespectful and arrogant he thinks no one will touch him.
Are you suggesting that there are mainstream (are other) sects of Islam that teach that the “justified” response to a marriage proposal rejection is an acid attack…?
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There are extremist sects of Islam (not the vast majority of Muslims, who are extremely charitable and who invented the first hospital, which was free, among many other things) that have incorporated acid attacks on women as a form of what they see as valid punishment, yes, and they have supporters who think this is a good thing to do and that the women deserve it for tempting the men. It is not ONLY people in these groups or who are Muslim who do acid attacks ofc, acid attacks are a global issue.
I have seen interviews and discussions by women who’ve been attacked with acid and that is what they describe in terms of public sentiment (“she deserved it,”) and thus their advocacy work centralizes around changing those beliefs.
https://resurge.org/stories/two-acid-attack-survivors-meet-for-the-first-time/
https://pulitzercenter.org/stories/acid-attacks-pakistans-worst-social-epidemic
Here’s a brief list of countries and some incidents and explains motivating factors for the attacks: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid_attack
That’s a societal issue. You still haven’t sourced which sect justifies it. If you said something like this with Judaism, you would be called an anti semite. You are making up a claim with some examples, not proving your claim. Or do you just not understand what a sect means?
Name them
I literally already did, it’s in the Wikipedia article I linked, in the region area. Clearly you didn’t bother to look.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid_attack
https://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/14/world/asia/14kandahar.html
And I’m totally comfortable saying that there are Jewish extremist groups who commit terrorism to harm others as well. And there’s Christian and Buddhist groups that do that as well. It’s not antisemitic or Islamophobic to literally describe what people are doing, per survivors from those groups. That it makes those specific Islamic groups look bad is, well, on them. Don’t burn people with acid. Don’t genocide Gazans. Etc.
And as I’ve already said, yes, other people and other groups burn people with acid too. That’s not really relevant to my original comment though, which is about how Islamic sects will likely not tolerate someone like the Tates, even if those same people do other things that harm women. Yes, there is abuse of women in Islam with some groups, including acid attacks, but that abuse is often informed by the moral code of those practitioners and absolutely nothing the Tates do is justifiable by the religion. The idea of the Prophet Mohammed being okay with sex trafficking - that’s extremely offensive. It’s an extreme moral incompatibility that will likely result in conflict since he is harming real people pretty indiscriminately.
Jihad doesn’t mean punishment. You mean sharia law? Also the acid comment is just absurdly made up. Rejecting a marriage proposal doesn’t justify even verbal abuse, idk what sources you have. Just spouting bs.
Jihad means to fight against evil - Tate’s actions are evil in the eyes of Islam and most people in the world.
I don’t mean Sharia Law.
I never said acid attacks are justified. I’m saying that even to these men who attack women with acid, what the Tates are doing and did is abhorrent to even someone like that.
And here, about acid attacks by Islamic groups, there’s a bunch, idk why you all who literally don’t care about women even slightly have to act like you know anything about acid attacks or what women go through, but you have to deny it outright because…?
I gave sources further down the chain and already explained acid attacks are worldwide and not confined to Islam.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid_attack
Afghanistan
Such attacks or threats against women who failed to wear hijab, dress “modestly” or otherwise threaten traditional norms have been reported in Afghanistan.[111] In November 2008, extremists subjected girls to acid attacks for attending school.
https://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/14/world/asia/14kandahar.html
The attacks appeared to be the work of the Taliban, the fundamentalist movement that is battling the government and the American-led coalition. Banning girls from school was one of the most notorious symbols of the Taliban’s rule before they were ousted from power in November 2001.
The Levant
In 1983, acid attacks were reported to be carried out by Mujama al-Islamiya against men and women who spoke out against the Mujama in the Islamic University of Gaza.[123] Additional attacks by Mujama al-Islamiya were reported through 1986
During the First Intifada, Hamas and other Islamist factions conducted an organized intimidation of women to dress “modestly” or wear the hijab. Circulars were distributed specifying proper modest dress and behavior. Women who did not conform to these expectations, or to “morality expectations” of secular factions, were vulnerable to attacks which included pouring acid on their bodies, rock pelting, threats, and even rape.[125][123][126] B’Tselem has also documented additional attacks with acid in specific attacks involving women in a collaboration context.
In 2006–07, as part of a wider campaign to enforce Islamist moral conduct, the al-Qaida affiliated “Suyuf al-Haq” (Swords of Righteousness) claimed to have thrown acid on the faces of “immodestly” dressed woman in Gaza as well as engaging in intimidation via threats.
I understood your intent but mixing it with absurd statements is not something I agree with. Using taliban as a “sect” is simply rubbish. I know how disgustingly violent and misogynist they are. You are simply arguing bad faith if you talk as if taliban is a “sect” that Anyone outside Afghanistan can follow. It’s a terror regime, not a sect.
I noticed this a lot. When speaking for muslims, people always add these dehumanising disclaimers. No one talks about israeli oppression or bizarre jewish laws when speaking up against anti-sematism. Same goes for topics like hate against indians abroad. No one adds a disclaimer except when it’s about muslims. “Hey, they have the right to live. Even though they are probably bombers, don’t harm them!” Tired of this bs
NYT the same guys that posted about 40 beheaded babies? Sure I’ll believe it. You simply have no knowledge regarding this topic. I’m blocking you.
It’s not absurd. It’s reality.
Sounds like I was correct, and there were more groups than just the Taliban that were listed anyway.
I wasn’t speaking “for” Muslims, I was pointing out the incongruence in Tate’s behavior and how that will clash with Muslim values and possibly extremists, made aware because he’s infamous.
I wasn’t speaking up against Islamophobia. I was talking about how a recent convert to Islam, who is a horrible terrible human trafficker and rapist, is so bad that he may trigger the ire of extremists in the religion he joined TO SCAM PEOPLE via crypto. That’s why they were mentioned- as a comparison to Tate.
And I see Jewish hate often now that it’s cool to hate Israel, and Indian hate to a lesser degree. Further, you bringing up Jews and Indians - they are pretty classic groups many Muslims hate. So you’re entirely aware they indeed get criticism and that’s probably why you specifically mention them and not Christians. Seems racist of you.
I wasn’t talking about rights. You’re tired of BS you’re inventing to be upset about, maybe stop doing that.
You’re welcome to disregard the NYT link and see the other examples listed.
Not saying it’s widespread but it definitely happens. This is an example OP might be referring to. https://www.deccanherald.com/world/three-women-face-acid-attack-in-punjab-province-of-pakistan-3175196
You linked a crime tho. How and which sect is justifying it?
It’s so normal to be islamophobic smh
Did I say it’s not a crime? I’m not defending it, I only linked it because it is probably an example of what the other person was referring to.
Except it’s not an example.
You don’t have to say everything, it’s implied. You chimed into the conversation with a useless example no one asked for. Could you have also read what you linked and understood if it’s irrelevant, but you dont cause it doesnt fit with your muslims=bad narrative. Fk off.
Yes, women aren’t going to be attacked by these same extremist men if they reject things like being trafficked or having premarital sex with them, because that’s what those women are supposed to do within tbe religion. They get attacked for things like rejecting Islam, rejecting hair covers, or rejecting MARRIAGE proposals - and the Tates aren’t marrying these women - that’s a big deal. They are acting way outside of the norms of Islam in general, even the extreme sides that don’t tend to treat women well.
And btw! I’m repeating info from LITERAL SURVIVORS OF ACID ATTACKS WHO ARE MUSLIM. So if they are Islamophobic, take it up with them.
You really can’t read or comprehend huh. IntereInteresting individual.
They are not. You are. I read the links you gave and none of them provide any “sect” or blame any specific person or group. Do you understand english? No one justifies this. I’m not saying there aren’t horrendous people that do but not anyone that does it based on a pronciple, book, etc.
So you claim some jews to be baby killers because some extremist was boasting about it in an US university? It’s an absurd statement just like this. Stop making up narratives from an example. I asked a source not an acid victim example.
Fk off islamophobe
Oh pardon me for chiming into your conversation on a public forum! Get over yourself, you act like you’re interested in a conversation but all you want is confirmation of what your already think.
I’m not interested in the conversation. Go somewhere else racist.
You do get that your linked example wasn’t an example of what was being referred to though, right?
Here, and I also never said it was widespread and was simply comparing the “worst” treatment of women in Islam to the treatment the Tates give women, and was comparing how their abuse of women is WELL outside of anything even extremists would tolerate. Premarital sex is a huge no no, especially trafficking women, filming them, pimping them- that’s HIGHLY offensive to Islamic beliefs. They are not compatible with the morals of Islam.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid_attack
Afghanistan
Such attacks or threats against women who failed to wear hijab, dress “modestly” or otherwise threaten traditional norms have been reported in Afghanistan.[111] In November 2008, extremists subjected girls to acid attacks for attending school.
https://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/14/world/asia/14kandahar.html
The attacks appeared to be the work of the Taliban, the fundamentalist movement that is battling the government and the American-led coalition. Banning girls from school was one of the most notorious symbols of the Taliban’s rule before they were ousted from power in November 2001.
The Levant
In 1983, acid attacks were reported to be carried out by Mujama al-Islamiya against men and women who spoke out against the Mujama in the Islamic University of Gaza.[123] Additional attacks by Mujama al-Islamiya were reported through 1986
During the First Intifada, Hamas and other Islamist factions conducted an organized intimidation of women to dress “modestly” or wear the hijab. Circulars were distributed specifying proper modest dress and behavior. Women who did not conform to these expectations, or to “morality expectations” of secular factions, were vulnerable to attacks which included pouring acid on their bodies, rock pelting, threats, and even rape.[125][123][126] B’Tselem has also documented additional attacks with acid in specific attacks involving women in a collaboration context.
In 2006–07, as part of a wider campaign to enforce Islamist moral conduct, the al-Qaida affiliated “Suyuf al-Haq” (Swords of Righteousness) claimed to have thrown acid on the faces of “immodestly” dressed woman in Gaza as well as engaging in intimidation via threats.