• DarkFuture@lemmy.world
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    9 days ago

    Lol. So many dumb voters who think everything changes for the better overnight if they protest vote and don’t grasp that politics is a battle of voting for the less shitty option so you can take baby steps toward something better.

    In the end, all they did was set us back X number of years/decades. Thanks stupids.

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    8 days ago

    Biden’s polling low, the voters want things do be different… huh, better campaign on doing nothing different! What? They’re saying we’re doing a genocide? Well, better point out that Trump is gonna do a worse genocide!

    That’ll be a great message, exactly the sort of thing that makes people excited to vote…

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      8 days ago

      Yeah, because people should vote on excitement and engagement, not truth … totally doesn’t devolve a democratic process into one of reactionary populisms fueled by false promises. If people want to get excited, they should go to a theme park. If they have a shred of civil responsibility, they vote, specially when things were as bad as they were.

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        8 days ago

        If people want to get excited, they should go to a theme park.

        Welcome to America!

        If they have a shred of civil responsibility

        lmao

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        8 days ago

        because people should vote on excitement and engagement, not truth

        What part of the genocide wasn’t true at the time of the elections?

        reactionary populisms fueled by false promises

        Like codifying Roe V Wade? Like closing Guantanamo?

        If they have a shred of civil responsibility

        Civil responsibility is voting for the party that pretends to care about Gazans while carrying out a genocide and funding Israel.

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        8 days ago

        because people should vote on excitement and engagement, not truth

        What part of the genocide wasn’t true at the time of the elections?

        reactionary populisms fueled by false promises

        Like codifying Roe V Wade? Like closing Guantanamo?

        If they have a shred of civil responsibility

        Civil responsibility is voting for the party that pretends to care about Gazans while carrying out a genocide and funding Israel.

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          7 days ago

          Like not spamming the same comment multiple times and like realizing that the only but quite essential power you do have is choosing between the least worse candidate because the much worse candidate will go the complete autocrat route. I can’t believe how brainwashed some people continue to be to try to argue they have not just doomed Gaza, helped expand Guantanamo Bay, or have endangered people’s right while trying to use examples of how it could have been better as an “argument”.

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            7 days ago

            Literally ALL the things you’ve mentioned could have been fixed by democrats, and 2/3 were actually electoral promises… I dont know how you expect people to keep voting for the lesser evil if the lesser evil is a deceptive and genocidal party

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              Because the alternative is much worse and arguments like yours are so far more deceptive that they are the Hail Mary of autocratic troll factories.

              Just because you don’t get the choices you want or should have does not mean you should throw it away, and if what Trump isn’t proving that already, then you are either a dumbass or arguing in bad faith. People like you are far more responsible for Trump and as a consequence his actions than the voters you claim to hate.

              It is perfectly possible to try to work to change a system from the outside that cannot be changed from the inside while trying to use whatever influence you have on the inside to prevent the worst aspects of it. Instead you choose play acting and then shaking off responsibility.

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                7 days ago

                Well you clearly see it doesn’t work. Saying "there’s someone worse* CLEARLY doesn’t mobilise people to vote repeatedly against fascism. Almost as if, hear me out, fascism has never historically been beaten through electoralism. What we need is to organize in leftist communities and organisations, create dual power structures, protest hard and support labor rights, and struggle against fascism through direct action instead of voting once every four years.

                Keep blaming the people who warned you that the democrat strategy of lesser-evilism wouldn’t work.

    • KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      8 days ago

      i mean, it’s also factually true. I still maintain that the dems ran a fairly good campaign. The problem was voter turnout, as it always is, except for 2020, when voting was easier.

      Because democrats have an aversion to actually doing things for some reason (primarily age related)

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      8 days ago

      “Democrats didn’t entertain me enough so I didn’t vote.”

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        Yes. The party needs to be enticing. They lost an election. Shaming voters for not embracing lesser evilism is another mistake the party is making and you’re reproducing here.

        At least twice now the party has believed themselves to be assured of victory because Trump is on the ballot. Now they may never have a chance to run again.

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    10 days ago

    Since the Democrats didn’t give every single thing on the bLuEmAGa screechers wishlist, ofc Trump was the perfect alternative!

    Definitely not an example of letting perfection become the enemy of good or anything!

    Edit: To whoever replied to me, but probably has me blocked since I can’t see it (only the reply counter) unblock me if you’re going to reply to me, coward!

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      10 days ago

      Letting perfection become the enemy of good? Good is funding a genocide?

      Also, I’ve never blocked anyone.

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        My b, you somehow got blocked on accident as I also never block anybody.

        Anyways

        Good is funding a genocide?

        There was keeping the status quo at worse (Harris) and then there was throwing the dial to 11 and opening new potential genocide fronts right here in America! (Trump)

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          Oh no worries, I probably said something stupid at some point.

          I completely agree with everything you’re saying except that the Harris campaign was good. There were no good choices this election, there was just an objectively wrong one. I voted for Harris anyway because trump is obviously worse by far, I think I’m just still pissed at her milquetoast center right campaign.

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            9 days ago

            As a fellow reluctant Harris voter, I wonder if people like them think that anyone who criticized Harris/the campaign didn’t vote. I know A LOT of hardcore leftists that are left of even me and every one of them voted. Some would maybe not say it out loud in a group, but they all did just in case Trump had the votes lol. It’s a shame they sacrificed their morals not only for Harris to lose, but now they’re also being blamed for it. If people had anti lib energy the way they had anti leftist energy, we’d have M4A by now lol.

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        9 days ago
        1. Those idiots didn’t know going into the election that their vote wouldn’t affect the outcome, but they did it anyway.

        2. Protest voters could conceivably include people who protested by not voting, and they most certainly affected the outcome.

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          Protest voters were young people, who voted the exact same as every other election. They don’t vote.

          If you want to engage with reality and look at the data you would see that the groups that voted for Biden and not Harris were older white men/women, and older hispanic men. Most likely because of the instilled patriarchal values and machismo culture of these groups made it hard to stomach voting for a woman with the same policies as the white man they voted for.