Apparently, it’s rare for lawyers to draw objections during their opening statements, but it happened twice for Trump’s team today and the judge sustained both objections.

MSNBC Commentary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-XetPGnx0M

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    34 counts on a crime for which his lawyer already did time and Trump was listed in that case as unindicted “Individual 1”.

    Then again, Cohen only got 3 years and was only charged on 8 counts. Based on that, even convicted Trump would challenge the ruling for longer than the time it would take to serve it.

    Not getting a conviction would be surprising.

    The Republicans should bounce him at the convention, bring in a ringer, and let Trump try again in '28, if he’s still alive.

    • 【J】【u】【s】【t】【Z】@lemmy.world
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      Man the way Trump eats and fucking whinges all the time, I’ll be surprised if he makes it to the 28th of this month, just like I am every month. Look at the dude, he is not long for this world. One of these months I’ll be right.

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      34 counts on a crime for which his lawyer already did time and Trump was listed in that case as unindicted “Individual 1”.

      Not getting a conviction would be surprising.

      In light of Cohen’s sentence, not getting a prison sentence would be surprising.

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      My friend was just thinking about that. If Trump got locked up in a state prison, what would the GOP do? They haven’t even thought about a running mate to prop up, if Trump somehow can’t run, what would they even do?

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        Well, it’s a little known fact that primaries weren’t always a thing. National Conventions are called “Nominating Conventions” for a reason.

        The assembled Republican delegates are getting together about a month after this trial ends and they will have to seriously ask themselves “Do we want a convicted felon for President?”

        It takes 1,215 delegates of the 2,429 available to become the nominee.

        In the days before primaries, this was all settled at the convention. Candidates would do anything necessary to secure the correct number of delegates.

        It can STILL happen if, during the primaries, nobody secures enough delegates.

        In theory, Trump right now has 1,915 pledged delegates, meaning he won them from a variety of states in the primaries.

        But, there’s no law requiring a delegate to vote just because someone won a state primary:

        https://ballotpedia.org/Republican_delegate_rules,_2024

        Former RNC committee member Curly Haugland and public policy consultant Sean Parnell argued in their 2016 book, Unbound: The Conscience of a Republican Delegate, that delegates are free to vote their conscience and are not bound by state or party laws to vote according to the results of party primaries or caucuses.[9] Click on the following links to learn more about arguments for and against this interpretation of delegate binding:

        Green Papers: “The Ties that Bind–or Do They?” (March 19, 2016)
        https://www.thegreenpapers.com/PCom/?20160319-0

        The Hill: “All Delegates Are Unbound” (July 11, 2016)
        https://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/presidential-campaign/287198-all-delegates-are-unbound

        Politico: “The One Man Who Could Stop Donald Trump” (May 9, 2016)
        https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/05/republican-convention-stop-donald-trump-curly-haugland-213879

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          I have been waiting for the GOP and the MAGoos to go to war since 2015. At this point, cutting Trump off the ticket will be the same as cutting their own throats. The base isn’t “Republican” anymore, it’s all about Donnie.

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            Sure, but he won’t live forever, and they’d be back after that. They ditched Fox when they said stuff Trump didn’t like, and they’re mostly back to Fox again.

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              I don’t know what the future holds, but the past is dead an buried.

              Reagan personally hated Jimmy Carter, but when the Carter Library opened Reagan gove Carter a speech praised him to the heavens. Today, Reagan’s “Big Tent” speech would have him branded a RINO

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          How the fuck are there nearly five times more delegates for a single party than for the EC? The citizens are being scammed on representation.

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        He would still run from prison, zero doubt. He’d announce a running mate, like MTG, and play the Martyr card all the way to Jan 6, 2025.

        He could still be elected and have his VP sworn in while he is “incapacitated”. They then pardon him, appoint him president-for-life, and wage all out war on any remaining political opponents.

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      I imagine he could escape jail time, for this case at least. I think the judge will probably suspend his sentence or give probation, but hopefully he still gets the felony conviction. That’s what swing voters are going to care about.

      I cared for my parents with dementia, so I know the signs. Trump is staying mentally engaged(thanks to the legal system) which slows its progress, but he definitely has some form of dementia. I don’t think he’ll be in any shape to run in '28.

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        Yeah where is this insane math people are getting coming from? He is a first time offender facing a paperwork E Felony, incarceration will never happen for this defendant baring something egregious. Of the sentencing options available there are about four with no jail time compared to one option for City jail time (County/Riker’s Island/“Definite”) and one for State prison time (Indeterminate). This is the rare case of the coverup was worse than the crime, his failure to “cover-up” adequately maybe be his savior. In no event do I forecast an actual jail sentence baring some bombshell revelations.