• Kusimulkku@lemm.ee
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    They’re not doing their supporters any favours with these sort of comments lol

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      It’s easy to support Palestinian statehood. Anyone that supports Hamas is a moron.

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            Fucking deranged tankies man, their Lord and Savior Hasan Abi has been going off about how “baby settlers” are valid military targets. These people yearn to live under a propaganda-military dictatorship.

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              It’s crazy because I’m pretty sure a lot of them would be considered “undesirables” in the societies they claim to want to live in.

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          Bro like literally 90% of Lemmy has a throbbing boner for Hamas and his stated antisemitic terrorists, even in this thread, terrorists apologizers abound

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            Weird that as a Jew who is pretty damn sensitive to antisemitism since I faced a lot of it growing up in religious Indiana, I haven’t noticed this support for antisemitic terrorists on Lemmy. I’ve seen a lot of support for innocent people being slaughtered because of Israel’s response to antisemitic terrorists, but that’s a separate issue.

            People in the U.S. protested the war in Afghanistan. Does that mean they supported Al Qaeda? Because this is some real “you’re either with us or you’re with the terrorists” thinking from my perspective.

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        Considering Hamas is the organization governing Gaza right now, the two are often intertwined in these discussions

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            Under any solution (one or two state), Hamas will be the ones in power and representing the Palestinian block. Doesn’t matter if they do a good job of it or not.

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                They are the de facto (and kind of de jure…) government of Gaza. Hell, they run the Health Ministry that provides a lot of the updates.

                If this somehow ends with anything short of further subjugation and/or eradication, they will be “heroes”. And they aren’t going to lessen their hold on the Palestinian people.

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                  They were also very unpopular before Oct 7 and I doubt they’ve gotten any more popular since then.

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                    Popularity doesn’t really matter when they were, and are, the power in charge in Gaza.

                    And “popularity” will go through the roof if, somehow, they are the ones that get the Israeli Government to stop being genocidal dicks and actually make concessions… by raping and murdering Israeli, German, and UK citizens?

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          It seems to me that Hamas “governs” Palestine the same way groups like the Mafia or Yakuza “govern” the people they extort.

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              Almost 20 years ago, when the majority of Palestinians alive today were either too young to vote or hadn’t even been born. How long after an election do you assume elected leaders have any real mandate?

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                My point was that regardless of their ability to do it, they were at one time the elected officials of the geographic location known as Gaza. They’re obviously not a real government in policy and action, but they’re the only thing that exists to even bear the term or concept of governance in the area.

                There is no other group to be considered as the government, no matter how awful Hamas is at being a government of any variety.

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              Like over a decade ago but they havent held elections since. I’ve seen countering articles saying Hamas has overwhelming support by the people, vs actually Hamas murders anyone who goes against them. So who knows. Fog of war and all that.

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                actually Hamas murders anyone who goes against them

                Well that would result in them having overwhelming support, among the survivors that is.

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      Not to condone their actions, but what would Hamas care about getting supporters? Palestine situation hasn’t been helped much at all by international supporters, so it’s not like they care about that.

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        The two are linked together. When aid has been sent to Palestine, to help Palestinians, Hamas has taken it for themselves. There was an EU project I believe to build water infrastructure, and Hamas took it apart to make into rockets.

        I don’t think it’s possible to provide material support to the Palestinians. Hamas just takes it all. It’s so fucked.

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        Palestine is dependent on foreign aid to continue its war fighting. Specifically aid from western nations. They need supporters to feed, fuel and supply it’s military and populace.

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        Might make people less happy to support pummeling them if they weren’t acting like such villains

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        Yeah why would they use civilians as human shields to gather the physical and online support of the easily misled and swayed masses of the west

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        Which supporters?

        People supporting the Palestinian side in this conflict

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          Don’t confuse support for Palestinians as support for Hamas.

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              It’s deliberate. If you don’t support Israel’s apartheid of Palestine, you are apparently antisemitic and want Israel destroyed.

              Hamas is not helping things. They are bunch of murderous religious nutters. They do want Israel gone. Just like how Israel’s nutters want Palestine gone.

              But Hamas are not Palestine anymore than Israel is its religious nutters.

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          I support the innocent Palestinian people who are being slaughtered. Does that mean I support Hamas? Because I think Hamas is an Iranian puppet that wants a Palestinian caliphate run under Sharia law. I don’t think they help the Palestinian people either. So am I a Hamas supporter? By your definition, apparently.

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          The only issue I see are the dumbasses that cant tell the difference, supporting Palestinians doesn’t mean support for Hamas. But if you don’t think they need some sort of military support in one way or another you don’t need to be making comments about it and need to instead go back and read a little history about the Israelie Occupation and Crimes Against Humanity thats taken place. Hell you wouldn’t even have to go back in time very far but a year maybe less, but I suggest to get the full picture and decent understanding to allow yourself to come and discuss world topics with other adults that you start from the beginning.

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            The only issue I see are the dumbasses that cant tell the difference, supporting Palestinians doesn’t mean support for Hamas.

            There’s a lot of dumbasses out there, which is sorta the issue.

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      They shouldn’t have any fucking supporters. This is the shit all the anti-Israel people are supporting. I’m no fan of Netanyahu but wtf do they expect Israel to do? It’s like everyone forgot what prompted this and thinks Israel just woke up one morning and decided to raze everything because they were bored.

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        What prompted this? You mean the decades of occupation? Or are you suggesting history only began with the Hamas attack?