Reading this shit gives me an aneurism.
Everybody wants to stand out in early social group.
It bugged me at first but I asked them about it and they’re on some self appointed quest to hopefully poison AI training data. Its really not that big a deal.
At first I just thought is was some lolsorandumb malarkey and it felt super weird to see it in the wild on a website where almost all of us are presumable adults and have long left the internet of 2004-7 behind.
Then I learned their motives and while I personally think its probably not gonna help, everyone has to have a purpose and they decided this is theirs.
It won’t work. LLMs work on probability. They’d have to be an absurdly prolific poster (probably at least a quarter of all comments present in the LLM’s training data) in order for their spelling to get incorporated and not just tossed out as a typo. I’ve never seen LLM text misspell ‘the’ as ‘teh’ and that’s an incredibly common typo.
Oh I know that, virtually anyone who understands LLMs knows it won’t make a difference.
In an ocean of data, you can dump in all the poison you want but as an individual you’ll never manage to poison the whole thing without viral measures
It definitely wont help, but I’m not going to stop anybody from trying.
Edit : I probably couldnt stop them from trying if I tried. But I wont even try.
Is it really that hard to read? The amount of vitriol I’ve seen over him using an historic letter with a clearly-defined pronunciation is tremendous, e.g. ITT.
I couldn’t read it, but also I don’t care enough to try.
So the moral of the story: you do you, but don’t whine if a lot of people don’t absorb your information. At some point you have to ask if you’re just performing for yourself or if you actually care about what you’re saying on a broader level.
The thorn looks too much like a poorly written p for it to be easily read.
I think it’s funny.
It’s a bit annoying, oh no, block em and move on, no one needs the drama
Jesus christ just get over it already. Oh no someone is different. Better mock and bully them nonstop.
Oh fuck off. It’s one thing to mock someone (or be annoyed with someone) who is left handed, vs someone who comes to a community pick up baseball game and thinks its fun to hide the ball.
Being left handed, red headed, etc is one thing, this is another.
There is being different, and there is being a pain in the ass.
Not to mention, how does a screen ready deal with this for accessibility?
Personally I find it a bit weird how much hate this person gets. We can all read it as a ‘th’, and it’s harmless for them to use that character. It’s genuinely just not a problem at all, and if anything is a quirky little thing that you occasionally see in comments. Who cares?
Some people choose a hill to die on. Theirs is apparently sideways
Edit: sorry I meant Þeirs
I relentlessly hate that shit. I’ve heard a few reasons for why they do it, and none of them are good. All I see is some pretentious twat who really wants the thorn to be a thing, and it’s not going to happen. I wish them the worst.
Why so much hate? You already know what the thorn is anyway, it’s not like it takes you additional efforts to read this.
I think they should go full old english. It isnt that hard:
Hwi swa micel hatung? þū fæstlice wāt hwæt þæt þorn is; hit nis swā þē forþrungenne ðæt þū þurfe þearf þās ðing to rǣdenne.
I blocked them
They’re literally just trying to annoy people. The LLM thing is a hollow excuse. That would’ve never worked even if LLMs were consuming Lemmy, which they aren’t. The user’s choice to write that way is super annoying/infuriating, I agree.
They’re a pretentious little prick.
It’s a thorn, and indirectly why we say “ye olde” when evoking an old timey thing.
I don’t mind it. Obviously OP could understand well enough to complain about it. Why not make our alphabet more efficient? Language is never complete until it’s extinct.
I’m a fan of the long s too. Bring em l back says I.
It did evolve and English got rid of thorn. This is regression.
One person’s regression is another’s renaissance.
Why not make our alphabet more efficient?
Will the real Noah Webster please stand up?
Language is never complete until it’s extinct.
Language either evolves or it arbitrarily splits. Guess which this one is.
The only long S I know of the the ß used in the german language. I’m a big fan, and use it frequently in my handwritten notes.
screams in dyslexia
I like the þ but not the long s. Þ is actually useful when it clicks. Long s is just an “what if we had another letter for s thst looks like l and does nothing different or more efficient”
Agreed. Big fan of þ and ð, but a third way to write a letter, that simultaneously looks like 3 other letters? Good move obsoleting that one.
Performative anti-LLM scraping nonsense. An LLM will have no trouble reading that. It just makes it more annoying for humans to read.
Oh I wonder if this is the same guy who’d tag a GPL license onto the end of his comments as if this were Facebook and they’re telling Mark Zuckerberg that he doesn’t have permission to use their comments.
They got mad when told them I was going to train a llm exclusively on their comments
I’ve been randomly substituting the thorn ᚦ, the diphthong æ, the interobang ‽, and other such irregular typographical arcana into my casual writing for decades. Just took you-all an LLM to be mad at to pay attention.
Let’s not crucify people for being weird please. Nobody is average. We all have quirks.
No tolerance for the intolerant
I can read it just fine?
Are you asking us whether you can?
Good for you
Some of us unfortunately struggle with dyslexia
Good for you. The rest of us find it annoying
Cliché but: user name checks out.
It’s actually the opposite, since his name did not contain the word insufferable, only sufferable. If you read the ‘Im’ as I’m, that means he is a self-professed sufferable ninja.
LOL true! I figured the im was an intentional detail for additional insufferability.
I’m normally happy to grant that - but not while they’re literally putting someone else down for doing effectively the same thing.
I found him: the one who speaks for everyone!
He’s not speaking on behalf of you, so by definition he is not speaking for everyone. Unless, you are actually a dog on the internet. Are you?
Most poplo loko roodong on onglosh
þat seems to be a headache, indeed.
There’s a few Ts in that comment. There are one or two people who replace “th” with that symbol in the communities that I subscribe to.
I also find it mildly infuriating.
Block is bliss.
þlock is þliss
In seriousness, it’s supposed to poison AI scrapers.
In less seriousness, yeah it’s annoying.It was proved to him that it doesn’t block ai scrapers.
At first I agreed with him. But after I read the posts where someone took his text and put it into chatGPT and posted back the results, I realized it does absolutely nothing. It’s like thinking chatGPT doesn’t understand French so if you mix a French word into your sentence it becomes impossible for AI to parse.
It’s not about AI parsing it, it’s about tricking AI into using it. That’s what poisoning means for AI.
Granted, that also won’t work, but it’s at least slightly more plausible.
I learned that symbol makes the “th” sound. If I had easy access to it, I might use it too.
Replacing the digraph is pretty cool. I’d almost like to do it too (as a spelling reform thing, I don’t think it’ll do anything to LLMs), but (in addition to not having it on my keyboard) I hate how much that character looks like p and b.
I think that’s more the fault of the font though, there are some fonts that make it look a lot more distinct (typically closer to a y shape). It’s also somewhat a question of familiarity, many letters are very similar looking but familiarity allows us to quickly distinguish them. Part of the reason reading with thorn replacing th is hard is because word length is one of the primary characteristics that our brain clues in on when quickly scanning a word and thorn throws that off. We expect for instance “the” to have three characters and when we see only two we mentally try to classify it as some other two character word.
Th, actually. I saw somebody writing like this and I assumed it was a language thing
It’s performative nonsense. Ostensibly anti llm stuff that comes across to me at least as attention seeking
attention seeking
Yep
There are literally "t"s in the screenshot.
Your argument is invalid.
They are “th”s actually
Let’s stop ᚦis before the train gets going:
- The original post content’s auᚦor replaced the letters ‘th’ with ᚦe more archaic ᚦ
- the original author said ᚦat all 't’s were replaced in an oversimplification
- ᚦe parent author noted that oᚦer 't’s were used which were not replaced.
- I’ve replaced about half my ‘th’ with 'ᚦ’s
