As for moderation, it’s far more time efficient for a small group of people to handle this than it is to leave it up to individual users.
If one person posts a spam message, it’s easier for a couple people to report it and a moderator to remove the post/user than it is to have a thousand people have to see it and decide if they want to ignore/block it.
Yes it’s efficient. And the price is you have a cop now, telling us who can talk and what they can say. Maybe a good cop, maybe bad, probably limited in the ways that people generally are. But this is obvious.
Ideally the conversation would be controlled by its participants and none other. That’s also obvious.
For each participant in the conversation, tools to navigate the complexities of the1000 person conversation. Why not? What’s so special about an overarching authority?
And the price is you have a cop now, telling us who can talk and what they can say.
Lemmy’s solution is that you can vote with your feet (=choose another instance with an admin to your liking)
Of course the solution is incomplete. Real bad admins remain a possibility.
That is kinda equal to a free world: Real bad humans are a possibility.
But:
Big fat BUT:
If you really want a world where all bad people (according to your own definition) are excluded, then you have turned yourself into that cop that you despise so much.
I think that works ok for general interest pages, but I don’t want to see sonic porn on a page that’s supposed to be about video game news, and I don’t feel like having to manually sort that out myself. People don’t mark stuff correctly all the time. Even 4chan keeps their boards on topic, and they don’t have heavy handed moderation, well at least when I used to go on there as a teen they didn’t.
What exactly does the admin do for us?
How could this be achieved via user tools?
The admin keeps the server running.
As for moderation, it’s far more time efficient for a small group of people to handle this than it is to leave it up to individual users.
If one person posts a spam message, it’s easier for a couple people to report it and a moderator to remove the post/user than it is to have a thousand people have to see it and decide if they want to ignore/block it.
Yes it’s efficient. And the price is you have a cop now, telling us who can talk and what they can say. Maybe a good cop, maybe bad, probably limited in the ways that people generally are. But this is obvious.
Ideally the conversation would be controlled by its participants and none other. That’s also obvious.
No, it’s not obvious that conversations would be controlled by it’s participants when there are hundreds or thousands of participants.
It works fine for 5 people, or even 10, but not once it scales beyond a certain point.
Just like having a voice call with 5 or 10 people can work, but with 1000 people you have to force mute everyone or it’s going to be a shit show.
For each participant in the conversation, tools to navigate the complexities of the1000 person conversation. Why not? What’s so special about an overarching authority?
Lemmy’s solution is that you can vote with your feet (=choose another instance with an admin to your liking)
Of course the solution is incomplete. Real bad admins remain a possibility.
That is kinda equal to a free world: Real bad humans are a possibility.
But:
Big fat BUT:
If you really want a world where all bad people (according to your own definition) are excluded, then you have turned yourself into that cop that you despise so much.
I think that being the cop in charge of my own perspective is quite acceptable. It’s putting other people in charge that I want to avoid.
So you have to create an instance, and be that bad admin.
And then don’t forget to hate yourself ;-)
They just pay for and maintain the server you use. Don’t forget to donate, DB0 is pretty cool
Paying for the server is one thing.
Managing our conversations is quite another.
The first gives them the power to do the second. Yes.
Their hardware, their rules. If you don’t like it you can always self host
Yes, it gives them that power.
But do we need their management services for a good functioning conversation? That’s my question
I think that works ok for general interest pages, but I don’t want to see sonic porn on a page that’s supposed to be about video game news, and I don’t feel like having to manually sort that out myself. People don’t mark stuff correctly all the time. Even 4chan keeps their boards on topic, and they don’t have heavy handed moderation, well at least when I used to go on there as a teen they didn’t.
So if you had a tool that could filter out the sonic porn for you then you would happily forego having an admin?