cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/25133597
Come one come all to the Lemmy-verse! It’s nice and cozy here, we do have some “bad parts of town” but you can do an instance block and not deal with them lol
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You can also drop a shit(post) off at [email protected] or hang out at [email protected] (though you do have to post before you leave that one!)
There’s much more around as well!
Obligatory, fuck Spez
It’s not authoritarian bootlicking if the boot has been painted red!
There are some real weirdos here that have this as the major part of their personality.
How else are they going to find an audience for their huge list of irrelevant copy-pasted bullet points?
Looks like I chose a good instance! w
I’m curious where a lot of those folks come from/what their backgrounds are. I assume like 50% are Russian bots, but of those who are real people, how’d they end up where they are in life/holding those opinions? I have a hard time wrapping my head around it.
Love everything about reddit but inexplicably wish to leave it?
Hate the idea of an english speaking internet that doesn’t slavishly adhere to the party line of the US alphabet agencies?
Do you think the parable of the nazi bar is bunch of hokum?
Do you have shrieking anger towards people who refused to support genocide while having shrieking anger at (usually the same) people rejecting decades long debunked accusations of genocide made by the perpetrators of aforementioned genocide?
Join the lemmyverse! We have racism! We have homophobia! We have trans misogyny! We have daily 5 minutes hate!
And if anyone tells you different, have you considered they’re a paid shill by the notorious gay sex haver Putler??
We have Ukrainian/Uyghur genocide denial!
From what I can tell, this tankie stuff is bullshit. In the years I’ve been here, I’ve seen close to zero ‘tankie’ content from any of these supposedly tankie instances. There’s like maybe one or two people on those instances who might fit the description if you search for them. Meanwhile, literally every day there are posts spitting on these supposed tankie instances. (And actually, it’s again a very small number of people complaining - but they put their crap into cute memes to get traction).
I don’t like the idea of shouting slurs at entire instances. In my view, if you hate those instances so much - just block them. Problem solved. No need to spew hate all over lemmy.
I’m jealous, I keep seeing them everywhere. As for the blocking, I’ve tried to block .ml several times but for some reason it hasn’t worked. -_-
I have a very different experience. When Hexbear was still federated with the large instances it was total mayhem. They would turn every thread political, constantly spam images of dictators like Stalin and Mao, and swarm anyone who disagreed. I’ve seen them deny the wrongdoings of China and the Soviet Union quite often, which is probably also what’s necessary if you spam Mao and Stalin unironically.
I’m quite left of center myself, at least relative to most people I know in real life. But these people seemed totally insane. It was probably also a numbers game, since Hexbear was relatively large at the time compared to basically every other instance. So maybe this was just an annoying minority. But nevertheless I’d never purposefully go there, and I’d recommend anyone to stay away. It’s way better than for instance a Trumpist/far-right instance, but I’d rather avoid both.
Yep. The few I see are easily ignored. Or poked if you want to set them off.
When hexbear federatedn with SJW, I spent a day arguing Russia invading is bad actually, North Korea isn’t a democratic utopia, and China isn’t a shining pillar of socialism. Then I blocked them all because that was exhausting. So idk if hexbear is still so tankie, but they definitely were at that point.
You have to remember, the people making the tankie accusations consider anyone to the left of Joe Biden a tankie.
This seems like an odd message considering that Lemmy, as software, is being praised here; and what is being criticized are instances wherein the admins enforce apologism for authoritarian regimes.
If someone writes a program you like, it means they’ve got good political ideas. /s
Tankies aren’t communists.
Dude you know what I mean, don’t be the ACKSHUALLY guy
Yeah, at this point the word “tankie” is used so liberaly that communists are just one type of “tankie”.
Karl Marx said communism is stateless. Tankies are named after their support of soviet tanks to put down revolutions. That’s the opposite of stateless.
Lol, well I guess there are no communists then, because not even Marx himself, as nonone has achieved statelessness.
Also, what a stupid image, it’s literally just horseshoe theory with “I’m on of the good leftists” liberal boot licking thrown in
Well except for the Catalonians, the Haudenosaunee, the Australians, the Polynesians…
Ok, I think I’m comfortable resting my case that you contorting the meaning of the word ‘communist’ beyond reason.
Catalan made their own “state” that’s not stateless. Humans need societies and structures, we aren’t tigers, we’re weak hairless monkeys.
everone knows you join instances based on how funny the @ is, duh
Exactly
Am I winning?
And you picked that?
it’s funny that .zip is a domain, yes. I can’t imagine it gets used for anything other than email scams
.rar isn’t a domain yet is it? Lol
Yes, welcome redditors to .world, which is trying to model itself as reddit 2.
Okay, but where is the instance that is trying to model itself after slashdot? (I feel old)
Best I can do is act like a slashdotter:
This general idea has already failed elsewhere. What you want can’t work.
It’s a bit like OSRS for reddit - an attempt to revive the reddit we all have very rose-tinted memories of. Unfortunately we seem to have forgotten about the the rampant casual misogyny, tribalism, moderator political infighting, that the 2007 XP rates were actually abysmally implemented and desperately needed retooling (and that deeply awkward “ron paul” phase reddit went through…)
I see calling people “tankies” is the “woke” of the Fediverse.
Yeah I’m a bit lost on why someone’s instance automatically = their entire identity. Wouldn’t that means 1) technically we are all tankies on a tankie platform and 2) I need to start learning Finnish?
Anyone who disagrees with their narratives is banned in hexbear. Ml was the default for a while so loads of people on there who have no idea what a tankie even is.
- I need to start learning Finnish?
Good luck with that buddy. Look up “kuusi palaa”.
Yeah, hexbear and .grad seem to be mostly tankie users, but it seems much more split on .ml. The admins are questionable, and I’ve seen tankies there disproportionally, but since it was the default instance for a long time, there are also a bunch of non-tankie users. I think lumping .ml in with hexbear and .grad really downplays just how bad those two are.
Yeah I randomly picked an instance when I created this account around a year ago, and these days I see people comment things like “lol of course you’re from .ml”.
I don’t even know what’s the difference between instances. And it’s not like we were given a whole lot of explanation when picking one.
Lemmy.ml admins remove content critical of the CCP, and similar things. The admins of most other instances don’t do that shit.
Grad is much the same, while Hexbear is just 4chan for Stalinists.
No I know, but I’m not interacting with the admins of .ml, and I haven’t really seen anything from the average .ml user that isn’t your run of the mill leftist talking points I see all over Lemmy. They’re not censoring or banning me from posting Winnie the Pooh, you know? Your experience may be different.
I have no idea what grad and hexbear are, I’ve never seen those instances and I’m assuming my admin already defederated from them. They’re pretty reasonable in that regard.
Maybe I should learn Finnish in their honour…
They’re not censoring or banning me from posting Winnie the Pooh, you know? Your experience may be different.
I mean, unless you frequent .ml communities, they can’t censor or ban you.
That’s the thing though. Those .ml communities end up quietly curated to curb any criticism of the admins’ favorite authoritarians. Highlighting this fact is necessary, and participating in .ml communities is undesirable at best; those who still wish to do so should at least be informed as to what goes on.
Oh I see what you’re saying. I agree about the communities, but I was speaking more about the users from .ml getting blasted in communities outside .ml simply because they are from that instance (like in this thread).
If the users from there are participating in communities from outside that instance and following the rules, why does it matter if they’re from .ml? They’re not in the censored community, we’re not in the censored community, who cares what the .ml admin are doing?
If the users from there are participating in communities from outside that instance and following the rules, why does it matter if they’re from .ml?
Communities shape how people think and act. Normalizing bootlicking for authoritarian regimes causes those who participate in those communities to feel and reproduce that normalization. Not only that, but when grad and Hexbear were defederated by many instances, many users on Grad and Hexbear created accounts on .ml for the explicit purpose of continuing the authoritarian apologia they so enjoyed in the exact places that told them they weren’t welcomed. At some point, pattern recognition sets in, and it’s not inherently wrong for it to do so.
I don’t think every .ml user is an authoritarian. But if I see someone making authoritarian apologia, I’d say a good 4/5s of the time, it’s someone from .ml.
Communities shape how people think and act. Normalizing bootlicking for authoritarian regimes causes those who participate in those communities to feel and reproduce that normalization.
Sure, but only if they’re solely in those echo chambers, which if they’re posting in .world, they clearly aren’t. And any ones who do are told off because of the content of their posts, not their home servers.
I see quite a few inflammatory posters from .world and .ee (especially of the American exceptionalism, anti-Palestine, and more recently anti-Canadian (🤭) varieties) but I don’t automatically assume every single person on those servers hold those values. In fact, I think 9/10 comments I see you post specifically, PugJ, I agree with.
I had no idea about the Hexbear/lemmygrad lore though, I’ll definitely keep that in mind going forward.
Nah, they’re authoritarian genocide deniers.
The opposite of woke.
No, I mean it’s the new / local meme word to shut off conversation. And apparently used pretty much the same way right-wingers use it.
What? Those are the three instant where I see the least denial of the US and Israels genocide, and the least bootlicking of western authoritarianism.
The USA, Israel, Russia, and China all support genocide.
Now you say it.
The opposite of western bootlicking is not Russian bootlicking.
The irony of this is that not being a western bootlicker does automatically make you a Russian bootlicker, according to the people complaining about the “tankie triad”.
It’s 2025, everyone is both doing genocide and is denying genocide all of the time. Unfortunately that word no longer has any meaning.
It does have a definition though and there is still power in that.
Yes everyone is aware of this power so are using the word as a propaganda tool to further their causes. And everyone is aware that the word is being used as a propaganda tool.
The scary part is that by watering down the meaning of the word, it’s made actual genocide more likely. If everyone is constantly being accused of genocide all of the time then no one will know when an actual genocide is happening.
The only person watering down the word here is you?
Unless some of those redditors ARE tankies
Again, nobody’s talking about the porn instance.
But we all know about it
I posted my boobs & some people were friendly to me. It’s nice here! Surprisingly wholesome.
We know everyone immediately followed the profile to see the boobs, don’t we?
(They are nice btw)
No mention of dbzer0. com anywhere in the meme or text? To any newcomers, if you wouldn’t download a car then you don’t need to know about that instance.
Lol I made the original meme and text, I kinda just brain dumped the instances from the top of my head, the hope was others would chime in with their fav instances/comms and add to the list
It must be the chunk of land they’re sitting on. Just can’t see it because the full text can’t be read in its entirety from that close up.
Lemmy.ml is the original instance and the dev instance. I joined it because there was literally no alternative at the time. It’s pretty annoying being called a tankie left and right because of this
Yeah, that’s pretty unfair. You shouldn’t have to put up with this; and it definitely is not your fault, or the fault of the instance. This “tankie instance” thing is bullshit.
It’s also because the devs are communists. Let’s not skip that part lol
Communist is not the same as tankie. Lemmy probably wouldn’t exist if the devs weren’t communist
I mean, they’re only not the same because “tankie” is so broadly defined that it also includes anarchists and non-western liberals.
They sensor criticism of the CCP
wHY DoN’t yOu chAnGe InSTanCe?
Same, looks like we are shady now.
everyone keeps telling me my instance is full of tankies but im not seeing it. when i made my account this was the only instance.
also, why the fuck would we want more redditors here?
I think there’s an instance on .ml that has everyone in a tizzy. I myself haven’t had any issue with .ml specifically. Lot of ‘mens rights’ bigots from .ee though, not sure why that is.
“An instance on .ml” you mean a community? Or you mean another domain name using the .ml top level domain? If it’s the latter, you probably mean lemmygrad.ml. If it’s the former, there are already quite a few communities on there which have a lot of subscribers and often appear in the “all” feed. Normally those are fine. But every now and then you’ll see some tankie comment and like 99% of the time it’s some user from that instance.
To be honest, I don’t pay a lot of attention other than to notice the ‘.ml’ and the vast majority of the time, I don’t notice any specific tanki-ness to people from there.
.ee on the other hand has been… (checks) yeah, all but one of my blocks in the last month.
that is actually the reason I chose lemmy.ml direct support from the developers is cool
Same as a fellow code enthusiast, the dev instance seemed like a good choice. But no, do not pass go, straight to tankie jail apparently.
Are you now, or have you ever been, a member of the tankie triad?
It’s pretty insane that choosing the default instance is seen as being indicative of your politics
Looks at the Lemmy devs
They deny genocide and are transphobic
.me laughs
Remember, it’s not authoritarian or bootlicking if it’s Israel or the US
ah yes, thats right! there are only two sides, western fascism, or eastern.
That is indeed the .world attitude.
idk if i was too subtle but i was being sarcastic, its possible to live without relience on authoritarian fascist regimes.
i guess a leninist who dismantles and reforms Hegels words for statist purposes wouldnt understand that.
edit: instead of being sarcastic again, perhaps i could give you some recommendations in theory? seems you need it to understand that a human craves and needs freedoms from its state.
idk if i was too subtle but i was being sarcastic, its possible to live without relience on authoritarian fascist regimes.
Yeah, unless they’re Western or western allied of course, at least according to .world
i guess a leninist who dismantles and reforms Hegels words for statist purposes wouldnt understand that.
uh-huh.
instead of being sarcastic again, perhaps i could give you some recommendations in theory? seems you need it to understand that a human craves and needs freedoms from its state.
No, I’m good. Maybe you should share your theory with the statists on .world.
