The Debian Publicity Team is stepping away from X/Twitter, citing concerns over values and diversity.
  • some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org
    151·
    7 days ago

    If you ask me, this looks like a big possibility, as X/Twitter’s evident bias towards the newly established U.S. government and their favoring of one demographic over the other could have set off Debian’s move.

    That’s just me speculating, though. 🙃

    No, you got it right. I get that you need to cover your ass to avoid a lawsuit, but it’s exactly because a guy who loves the adoration of nazis owns the platform.

  • VandimionDevilChild@beehaw.org
    3·
    7 days ago

    didn’t even knew they had an account there, good can’t see how twitter could ever be a good fit for Debian values or any person with who care about foss.

  • deathbird@mander.xyz
    13·
    6 days ago

    The “safety” thing is a bit hyperbolic. I wish they’d just say “the quality of the interactions is going down” or “poor moderation” or something else a little more honest.

    Twitter is a shitty platform in structure, format, and moderation. I’m glad Debian’s not on it. But I am disappointed in them for using hyperbolic rhetoric.

    • spoopy@lemmy.world
      31·
      6 days ago

      Safe is a very broad term. Its not being used hyperbolically here. It’s not referring to physical safety.

      • deathbird@mander.xyz
        11·
        6 days ago

        Yeah I’m aware that it means “emotional safey” the way they’re using it. But they’re still being hyperbolic, because emotional safety in the context of opinions on the Internet is just not meaningful. In a relationship one can speak of emotional safety in context of emotional manipulation or violence, but on a microblogging platform? The axiom of Tyler the Creator still applies, and we’re not even talking about targeted harassment.

  • PlainSimpleGarak@lemmings.world
    311·
    7 days ago

    How does one not feel safe on a digital platform? Even if someone physically threatens you, nothing is going to happen to you. And you can block/mute people you don’t care for.

  • JackbyDev@programming.devEnglish
    96·
    8 days ago

    When it forces you to log in to view stuff, it’s usefulness as a platform for announcements is substantially lessened.

  • rational_lib@lemmy.world
    781·
    8 days ago

    shutting out a significant portion of your community without seeking their input first isn’t a sensible move for such a foundational open source project.

    Ironic when X shuts out anyone who isn’t logged in and shuts out anyone who doesn’t pay for a blue checkmark from having visible replies.

    Having an X account isn’t consequence-free - if it becomes where updates occur, people have to sign up for an account and subject themselves to nazis everywhere and all manner of crypto spam just to see updates. And they have to pay Elon tribute to be heard in response. It’s crazy that anyone sees it as being friendly to users.

        • Ferk@lemmy.ml
          3·
          7 days ago

          I don’t know enough detail about ATproto, but I wonder if it’s technically possible to block access to posts without also blocking federation. From what I’ve heard the functionality is more modular than Activitypub (content indexing being a separate service from content hosting) so I wouldn’t be surprised if it wasn’t possible.

    • Ferk@lemmy.ml
      7·
      7 days ago

      Were they using Twitter to provide exclusive updates not available anywhere else?

      My impression from the post is that they are publishing the exact same updates in multiple locations, including mastodon at https://framapiaf.org/@debian …so just because they were publishing in that one extra site to make it accessible to a particular subset of people does not mean all other people were being shut off from receiving updates.

      However, I do agree with the move, but only because Debian being a FOSS initiative should stay away from proprietary platforms and promote FOSS.

  • SavvyWolf@pawb.socialEnglish
    692·
    8 days ago

    Personally, I think that the discussion around this will evolve as the news spreads, but I agree with Robert on this one. Sure, X/Twitter has become a less welcoming place than before, but shutting out a significant portion of your community without seeking their input first isn’t a sensible move for such a foundational open source project.

    Nah, I think I’m cool if Debian doesn’t respect the input of Nazi sympathisers.

    • patatahooligan@lemmy.world
      24·
      8 days ago

      Yeah, that section is bad.

      For one, it’s has classic vibe “if you want to keep the nazis out, you’re the one who’s exclusionary”.

      But also, how is refusing to engage on a platform “shutting out a significant portion of [the] community”? That sounds backwards to me. Blocking people from engaging with Debian on its own platforms would be shutting them out. The implication in the article is that Debian is obligated to be unconditionally present on every social platform its users might be on.

      • Telorand@reddthat.com
        24·
        8 days ago

        The other twist is, unlike Xitter, you don’t have to create an account on Mastodon to be able to read their feed. You can access it like any other website. So nobody is getting shut out. They’re just posting elsewhere, where anyone can read it.

        • WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world
          14·
          8 days ago

          You don’t even have to go to the website. Every Mastodon feed can be accessed via RSS. You just have to add “.rss” to the end of the URL.

          • MonkeMischief@lemmy.today
            13·
            8 days ago

            That’s a super neat trick actually. Why the heck has RSS been losing popularity when it seems to be the only magic protocol you really need to keep up with what you actually care about?

            Oh I just answered my own question: It must be harder to hijack RSS with intrusive ads and clickbait…

              • MonkeMischief@lemmy.today
                2·
                7 days ago

                Ohhh I see what you did there. They’re all extensions. So 98% of users doesn’t even know it’s a possibility if it’s not default lol.

                Blah.

    • fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
      19·
      8 days ago

      Yeah what the fuck is with that.

      It’s a very twitter centric view of the web. If you’re not on xitter you’re “shutting out a significant portion”.

      The thing is, it’s not simply that Musk has an ideology that is disparate from my own, he has an agenda that is egregiously contrary to the stated values of the Debian project.

      You’d consult with the community over a new logo or blog layout maybe, but on whether to assist Musk in his far right agenda there’s not really any decision to be made honestly.

  • nullpotential@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    561·
    8 days ago

    shutting out a significant portion of your community without seeking their input first isn’t a sensible move for such a foundational open source project.

    It actually is a perfectly sensible move, and it doesn’t “shut out” anyone. If anything, prioritizing twitter is what shuts users out. They linked to two-three alternatives. What’s the argument here, exactly, from the other side?

    • Ferk@lemmy.ml
      6·
      7 days ago

      I think the argument is that those alternatives already existed before. Twitter was not being prioritized, it was essentially mirroring the content already available in RSS, mastodon, etc. So effectively, there’s now one less place where the news will be visible.

      However, I do agree with the move, but only because Debian being a FOSS initiative should stay away from proprietary platforms and promote FOSS, even if it means effectively “shutting off” a portion of users who don’t wanna leave the twitter bubble.

  • markstos@lemmy.world
    411·
    8 days ago

    My town’s subreddit just started a policy to disallow links to X for similar reasons.

    There is a movement to avoid the platform.