Just picture the scene in Zombieland where they destroy the store for fun. But all the shelves are neonazi fuckheads. 😃
Does the soundproofness allow you to do stealth kills? Cuz otherwise, crowbar or not, you’re probably gonna get overtaken by a room full of opponents, unless this is also happening in some sort of kung fu movie.
So… a room full of fascists against two individuals.
To me, this implies they will either be drugged, to be impaired, or chained. Otherwise, the numbers win.
I’m not a butcher. Criminals are to be dealt as such. Death is too short of sentence to be a punishment.
Death is too short of sentence
It’s a crowbar, not a flamethrower. Pick your targets, avoid the head and soft tissue/core areas. Have fun.
You missed the sentence where I declare myself as not being a butcher.
Well then you don’t have a strong sense of survival or justice. That’s ok. You can weave baskets while I do it. Everybody has a place.
And now you are missing the part where I state that I will fight, both for me and others. I refuse to butcher others, like the criminals we are denouncing, not to fight them.
How is fighting for survival different than butchering people who would butcher you?
Edit: to begin a better world you have to understand that your hands will have to get dirty not by choice but out of necessity to survive. Do you not have a survival instinct?
Here is the difference, in my view.
I will fight fascist wherever I am met with them. I’ll denounce their ideals, call out their hatred and bigotry towards others, expose their crimes and atrocities. And I will fight them, to the risk of my own life, to defend others from them, if such need arises.
I will not hide behind hollow rethoric to justify killing another human being. I will not persecute a fascist’s family or children, I will not execute fascists summarilly nor cruelly. I will not condone torture.
I want justice. I want fascists arrested, put to trial, sentenced to prison and put to work to rebuild every little thing they destroyed, plowing fields to feed the hungry. I will not become worst than them in the process of getting rid of them.
How does killing a bunch of them with crowbars begin a better world? Did that work the first time? It sounds to me like we’re trapped in a cycle.
Criminal law doesn’t work on Nazis. They control the courts. Very few non violent options left I’m afraid.
Try this: fascists.
The German National Party is no more.
There is a difference between resorting to force to push down and cull the scum trying to topple the world and resorting to violence like they are, to butcher those they see as worthless, unfit, different.
Force, not violence.
I only wish in them what they wish on me. Anyone who has an issue with that is enabling fascism.
So, given that the average fascist considers anyone who does not subscribe their narrow view of the world as worthless and disposeable and are known to be very expedite on devising cruel and brutal ways to dispose of those they dislike, it would be fair, on your understanding, that the fascists underwent the exact same treatment?
You know why no one uses the phrase “Nazi apologist”? Because there’s a word for it already. Nazi.
If they salute like a nazi then they are a nazi. Modeled after the German variety of fascism venerating Hitler etc. Neo-nazi would work I guess, but everything they’ve been doing is straight out of Hitler’s playbook so I feel comfortable using the term nazi.
As for projection of force, you don’t really have any to project. Any resistance would need to be very asymmetric in nature ie high value targets using guerilla methods. I think the difference between force and violence is semantic and really only serves as a euphemism. Moreover you need to create a spectacle of violence. Luigi mangione didn’t use force.
That’s your prerrogative; I respect that. It won’t be small differences like those putting us on opposite corners.
Will I call the act of Mangione as brutal? Yes. But it ended there. The guy did not went on a rampage, after the man’s family and others. So, it was a resort to force, not to violence.
We’re seeing violence being enacted towards groups and individuals. Mass killings in Gaza, torture, starvation, exposure… that is violence.
Going up against a group, even if well organized, by attacking and eliminating key figures, that’s force.
Allow me a more down to earth example: you see an ICE raid mounting. You organize a group of neighbours, hold the cops at gun point, beat the lights out of them, in extremis, a few die, and warn them they are not to come back there.
That’s force.
You kill everyone, raid and destroy their station, go after their families and friends, and hit on sight every single agent.
That’s violence.
I’m that guy
sure, on Lemmy you’re that guy.
Good for you, I risk?
Wrong energy.
Someone has to play that part. Why not me?
Dont forget to leave your phone at home.
Dream date.
I’d bring my small box cutter, but I think a crowbar would be more effective. That, and I wouldn’t wanna waste a perfectly good box cutter on street trash.
Rise and shine, Mr Freeman.
I don’t like Nazis as much as the next guy, but given a choice between beating up Nazis and getting laid, I think I’d prefer to get laid. Ya know, the whole “Make love not war” philosophy.
What if either of you REALLY get off on violence against racist groups?
Nazi or not there’s no shot I’d be able to kill people with a crowbar unless they are also actively trying to kill me
Well, if you are a minority, they are.
I am and you know exactly what i meant.
You meant that you’re more comfortable being killed by a Nazi in a government office signing some paperwork than being killed by a Nazi who uses their own two hands.
Drag doesn’t really understand that kind of mindset. Dead is dead. Danger is danger. And treating danger less seriously because it wears a suit and tie will get us all killed.
That take is pushing on a marginal understanding of that person’s position.
It is easy to understand they would not engage in violent action unless forced to do so in a life or death situation. And that is understandable. Implies the person has a conscience.
Unlike the extremists currently trying to overtake the world.
It may lead to the point where we will have to resort to force to end that trend but it does not mean we have to do it gladly.
It clearly doesn’t matter what I meant because you insane idiots will just invent things and pin them on me to strawman your stupid arguments.
If you can take a crowbar and kill someone with it, when you’re not in immediate mortal danger, you are a danger to society.
Beating nazis while cosplaying as Gordon Freeman? Where do I sign?
There seem to be two very different approaches to being anti-nazi - the problem solvers who want to put them down like the vermin they are and move on, and the sociopaths who fantasize about violently acting out all their personal issues, with nazis being socially acceptable targets,
Not too different than Fudds in the gun community praying that someone robs them
Cults are difficult to handle because the members of a cult are both victims of violence and perpetrators of violence.
The sad hard truth is that we need to see people trapped in far right ideology as potential allies. We need to understand the faulty reasoning and lies that led them down that path and find a way to welcome them back into a world of acceptance and empathy. Personal attacks may feel good but it only entrenches them further.
Ridicule the ideology. Point out the logical fallacies, inconsistencies and lies… Don’t let them have a platform to spread hate without opposition or counterarguments. But also understand the people spreading the hate are hurting inside and if they switch sides they can be the best allies to help counter-program others.
I agree. Hate is a byproduct of fear - the favorite tool of manipulators. Ultimately even the manipulators are victims of some kind of fear that motivates their behavior. But first you stop people from hurting others, then if they survive being stopped you can compassionately try to heal them. The attitude difference I was talking about is wanting to stop wrongdoers vs wanting them to suffer.
No reason they shouldn’t enjoy their work.
TIL fantasizing before scrolling to the next entertainment item is “work” lol.
“The south shall rise again” but like as fat inbred Nazi’s is what really confuses me. Like, we nuked Japan, that can easily explain the weird hentai, but the south? They got a black eye then allowed back into the states to start doing Jim crowe shit… Of course we only know the approved history, the constitution was illegally altered during Ww2 and for all we know, had an addition that made what racist and Nazis are doing completely illegal, but since the constitution was changed there’s no one to enforce the actual law of the land. An no one in power seems to care
Next time we hit them harder, leave some scars in their genes to remind their descendants the best way for us all is together.
What a psychopath take.
I believe many people carry with them a deeply buried desire to hurt people, but their morals keep them from doing it to just anyone. But they yearn for a chance to do it without moral repercussions.
You don’t get to be the apex predator spread around the whole world without a love for violence ingrained deep inside the species hearts.
So, agree more or less. But also I think the desire can be nuanced, like personally I don’t want to just commit random violence but I do wish some folks would get hurt or killed. I think it’s like that for most of us.
I know I couldn’t do it, and I don’t want to either. If I fantasise, it’s about using stern words that make them rethink life choices at most. The vilest of people don’t deserve to give me trauma from using violence, even without repercussions in heaven or whatever, I really don’t think the human psyche is built to perform violence against humans. Maybe animals. With humans I am fully convinced it damages the assailants ability to feel safe and okay, even if the recipient deserved it
You mistake your own thoughts for those of others. It’s a common bias to assume you are the norm for knowledge or emotional response.
There are plenty of people who absolutely do seek and enjoy violence on other people and there is plenty of history to back that up. As well as sports, boxing, and just general bar fights.
No, I think you misread what I said. I think all humans, including me and you, and those who enjoy violence, are not built to do so and traumatises the assailants.
S’doodis
You and what army?
Is there an unexpectedletterkenny?
If not, pitter patter
Sometimes I go to my Facebook spam messenger folder and send whatever weirdo trying to hit on me a bunch of Letterkenny quotes and confuse them.
