• Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world
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    16 hours ago

    Fact remains, not voting is basically is half a vote for Trump, and Trump is going to be MUCH worse for the citizens of Gaza.

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      5 minutes ago

      You seem unaware of how bad the situation already is. I encourage you to search for news and reports from inside gaza. The fact that it could get worst highlight that they are already making deals and supporting an evil government. The only way it can get any better is if someone other than red and blue get in power.

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        15 hours ago

        He reduces harm by not doing whatever trump would be doing if he were elected last election.

        He could be doing more to try and reduce harm or at least least to promote harm, but trump would have made it so much worse.

        Just remember, trump could have been elected in 2020 and been in office the last few years instead while this was all going on. Does anyone think Palestine would be in a better position if that were the case?

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          11 minutes ago

          You sound in bad faith or unaware of the situation

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Israel_in_the_Israel–Hamas_war

          “The Joe Biden administration stated that Israel would receive “whatever it needs” to support its offensive against the Hamas-ruled Gaza Strip.”

          I guess “whatever it needs” it’s still better than sending israel atomic bombs or draft every american citizen to go there. Make sure to advertise for them so they can still send israel “whatever it needs” and not for example for a third party that would do what it’s needed to stop the genocide.

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            14 hours ago

            It is in so much as anyone can look at what trump did in his first term, and what the consequences of that term have been. Such as roe

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                14 hours ago

                None, it’s an abstract to highlight what was (during the trump presidency) and what is (the trump judicial appointment consequences).

                To be closer to Gaza, we can look at the koshoggi assassination inaction, the soleimani assassination, and the infamous “Muslim ban” to gain contextual basis for trump’s expected stance on anything Gaza related.

                There’s lots of rambling talk by trump on the middle east, but as example related to my list, this article describes his opinion of gazans pretty well. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/oct/17/trump-muslim-ban-gaza-refugees

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                  3 hours ago

                  How is that different to what Biden has done in his term? None of those are related to Gaza. Biden has done zero to limit Israel in any way whatsoever. Biden pulled all US troops out of Afghanistan in a clusterfuck of a manner; I don’t think he has done anything to merit saying he’s better than Trump in that regard.

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                    3 hours ago

                    Did you not make it to the end of my comment?

                    I went from abstract concepts that can inform what we think will happen, to direct examples from the middle east, including his own speech about gazans themselves.

                    We have no indication that trump would deviate from current stance on supporting Israeli or Saudi objectives, including with funding. He did that while he is in office, so funding is a moot point.

                    Though Afghanistan certainly turned into a mess, I think we should be happy we left. The issues for me on that relate to supporters/translators that we should have gotten out. But that’s the cold nature of the MIC and certainly wouldn’t be any different if trump had won. You think trump would care about some “nobody” who got left behind? Obviously not, he’s described American soldiers who die or are captured as losers, so another moot point in my book.

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        11 hours ago

        26 billion in harm reduction.

        But it’s fine, he’s a Democrat. You are not legally allowed to criticize democrats.

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      11 hours ago

      Voting for Harris is voting for Harris. Voting for Trump is voting for Trump. Voting third party is voting for Trump. Not voting is voting for Trump. Eating spaghetti is voting for Trump. Why won’t you just vote blue!?