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They also thought slaves should count as 3/5 of a person for representation purposes; this ensured that the conservatives could maintain their slave-State status without the Northern states being able to eliminate it through a vote.
So maybe we shouldn’t hold up their anti-democratic streak as an ideal.
Lincoln was a conservative himself. He described himself as a conservative and historians Label him as one. In the speech you cited, he was speaking as a conservative to other conservatives.
Democrats owned slaves. Democrats still want to own slaves.
I am very conservative. The Republican party was started to end slavery. Lincoln was a conservative. Before joining the Republican Party he was conservative Whig.
Republicans have always stood up for freedom and individual rights. In the 80’s we picked up the religious right which skewed some stances but I’m not part of the religious right.
I don’t think there’s much use in explaining this, but you don’t seem to have a very good grasp of history. Party names are not the key to ideology, and it’s baffling that people think they can compare politics from 180 and 120 years ago using current concepts. If you think modern Republicans are the party of Lincoln, let’s see… who would we see flying Confederate flags currently?
It is a focus on order beyond the individual and the social group; we call it realism, and it tends to favor historically-proven results and a case-by-case basis instead of ideological categorical containers.
About ten thousand people in North America can successfully parse that sentence.
Fascists are hybrids. Fascism is corporatism, i.e. state control through corporations.
What does my profile say?
“Furthest Right: raging realism plus transcendental reverence. I write at https://www.amerika.org/ and https://www.deathmetal.org/ about topics such as nihilism, ecofascism, paganism, eugenics, capitalism, perennialism, conservatism, natural selection, and of course death metal.”
Ecofascism is a separate movement. You read your Linkola and Kaczynski?
Lincoln was a conservative Republican. The Republican Party was formed as an anti-slavery party. It replaced the whigs. Lincoln was a conservative Whig before joining the Republican Party.
They also thought slaves should count as 3/5 of a person for representation purposes; this ensured that the conservatives could maintain their slave-State status without the Northern states being able to eliminate it through a vote.
So maybe we shouldn’t hold up their anti-democratic streak as an ideal.
But reactionaries are gonna reactionary.
You mean so the democrats could own their slaves. Funny how things have not changed
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Lincoln was a conservative himself. He described himself as a conservative and historians Label him as one. In the speech you cited, he was speaking as a conservative to other conservatives.
Democrats owned slaves. Democrats still want to own slaves.
Ending slavery is not a conservative position by definition. Conservatism means continuing the system that is currently in place and accepted.
@Zeppo @wintermute_oregon
Not correct. Conservatism aims for the eternal. Our system is feudalism, which chattel slavery replaced.
Ending slavery is a conservative value. Since we believe all men are equal, slavery by default insults that position.
Are you sure you’re a conservative? Most conservative views are insulting. But back in real life, it was a deeply ingrained institution at the time.
I am very conservative. The Republican party was started to end slavery. Lincoln was a conservative. Before joining the Republican Party he was conservative Whig. Republicans have always stood up for freedom and individual rights. In the 80’s we picked up the religious right which skewed some stances but I’m not part of the religious right.
I don’t think there’s much use in explaining this, but you don’t seem to have a very good grasp of history. Party names are not the key to ideology, and it’s baffling that people think they can compare politics from 180 and 120 years ago using current concepts. If you think modern Republicans are the party of Lincoln, let’s see… who would we see flying Confederate flags currently?
@wintermute_oregon @Zeppo
We do not believe anything of that nature.
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@LookBehindYouNowAndThen @wintermute_oregon
By definition, the Radical Republicans were progressives.
Back then it had a lot more to do with industry than Communism.
Your profile says you’re a conservative and a fascist? @neuromancer said before they’re incompatible, and he’s a conservative.
He also says Lincoln was a conservative.
Why do you both say the opposite? Is conservatism so meaningless that such fundamental differences are just ignored?
Why do you think conservatives deny that fascists are part of their movement when they clearly are?
@Zombiepirate
As to what conservatism is, I write about that a lot:
https://www.amerika.org/
It is a focus on order beyond the individual and the social group; we call it realism, and it tends to favor historically-proven results and a case-by-case basis instead of ideological categorical containers.
About ten thousand people in North America can successfully parse that sentence.
@Zombiepirate
Fascists are hybrids. Fascism is corporatism, i.e. state control through corporations.
What does my profile say?
“Furthest Right: raging realism plus transcendental reverence. I write at https://www.amerika.org/ and https://www.deathmetal.org/ about topics such as nihilism, ecofascism, paganism, eugenics, capitalism, perennialism, conservatism, natural selection, and of course death metal.”
Ecofascism is a separate movement. You read your Linkola and Kaczynski?
Full readout here:
https://annihilation.social/notice/AgRr091ay4W0HCTtcu
Lincoln was a radical. He, too, was a hybrid, in that he came from the Anglo tradition but was outside of it as a “radical.”
He was a progressive of his age. He was closer to Marx than Washington.
So you’re saying that fascists and conservatives work to similar ends?
I get you don’t read well but see how Lincoln uses the word we. It’s including himself. Lincoln was a conservative. He was a Republican.
Lincoln was not a progressive.
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@LookBehindYouNowAndThen @wintermute_oregon
Lincoln was a radical closer to Marx than the founders.
I am not wrong. Only you read it incorrectly.
Lincoln was a conservative Republican. The Republican Party was formed as an anti-slavery party. It replaced the whigs. Lincoln was a conservative Whig before joining the Republican Party.
Here is a whole breakdown on the topic.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_conservatism_in_the_United_States
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@wintermute_oregon @LookBehindYouNowAndThen
Democrats were conservative back then.
I guess if you knew basically nothing about US history that would be a convincing statement.
@wintermute_oregon @LookBehindYouNowAndThen
Slavery sucked because it was diversity.
It was also cruel and pointless, since it was low quality labor.
The solution is ending diversity.