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E2e is not yet illegal, is it for you?
Not yet, but not for a lack of politicians trying. So far the european court has done its job and also some countries have stalled.
That would be the next law I‘ll brake on daily basis 😂 (smoking weed is the only one right now)
Nothing wrong with that
Luckely legal where i live, since april first 🥹
Hey there german friend 😄 it is still illegal in switzerland but police is still way more chill in switzerland. I was in Freiburg at a Festival and on the way there police stopped is and my girlfriend had to undress completely because their doggo smelled our empty grinder… I had the weed in my backpack sealed so doggo did not find that. My girlfriend asked what they would do if they find weed, the police answered, that they do not know what they would do.
Luckily at the festival, everything was as chill as in Switzerland, like they find the weed at the gate, let you keep it and let you in. Smoking there was no problem either.
One sad point is, that I did not find any ACID at the festival 😂 but I guess that is a me problem
Happy to hear that they are chill, at that point it would make sense to legalize. Alteast having home growing and consumption being legal is something that is hard to argue against. I bet it is going to get much better for us in the future (hopium, i know)🤞
🙌🏻 I be so too 😇 I guess as soon as the boomer are overruled by the new generation, there is nothing stopping the legalisation 🥳
I think the Online Safety Act recently passed in the UK does technically make proper encryption illegal. Chat platforms are supposed to comply when UK law enforcement asks for logs, and it says something about them needing to be “readable”.
This probably mainly just means they should be able to use the backdoors in major platforms. It would be very difficult for them to go after every obscure xmpp provider or whatever, and so far they haven’t.
The law says lots of other dumb and quite dystopian stuff like policies every “social media platform” has to follow, which seem to really misunderstand how the internet works. The UK would need to block itself off from most of the internet for any of this to work. One of the main chat platforms I use is just a computer in some German tech enthusiast’s house (I think).
Thankfully, Labour got into power in the recent election instead of Conservatives. Their candidate was often called a “Tory with a red tie” since he didn’t believe in as serious left-wing policies as other, failed Labour candidates like Jeremy Corbyn. The point though is that hopefully they won’t be dropping many more laws like the “Online Safety” (“Ahhh, protect the children because any website can have porn D:”) Act.
Ofcom is supposedly in the stages of putting the law into practice though. I hope nothing extreme happens to the UK, but it all sounds pretty horrible to me.
Yea, I wonder what they would do against my self hosted matrix server behind VPN and reverse proxy 🤔
don’t have backdoors
I’ve got bad news for you about hardware…
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Also it’s easier to just exploit the keylogger in Windows I would imagine. At the very least make sure you don’t select the “express settings” (or whatever it’s called) in the Windows installer.
There’s a setting called something like “improve typing suggestions” that basically says it sends everything you type to Microsoft. They admit it has a preinstalled keylogger and has for a while.
If you care about privacy and are running Windows, you don’t care about privacy.
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From having lived in several European countries I get the impression that the Press being pretty much just partisan Propaganda generally it’s not as common as it seems to in the USbe, with the notable exception of Britain (were it’s pretty bad all around except the Private Eye which is actually a satirical magazine).
That said, the way for example Orban entrenched his control of Hungary was by controlling the Press.
This might be at least partly why in Europe the Far Right rose outside mainstream parties but in the US it rose inside them (and, curiously, in the UK it started outside, then was picked up by one of the mainstream parties at which point it really took off).
Even if it is made law, it still require legal determination by a competent authority. Such a law can simply be considered ultra vires, since it is not constitutional in a democracy.
Wake up babe, new excuse just dropped: [enemy nation of the week] bots & trolls
They sell so much of this National Security wrapping paper, I’m surprised it never runs out. Remember when they wrapped the Iraq war with it?
But muh freedom fries
Don’t forget anti-China
Ugh don’t get me started on the Chinese with their darn kung fu
Is that a thing?
It’s the whole impetus behind the TikTok ban
Ah, yeah, that’s a fair criticism. Thanks.
It’s been a thing ever since Obama’s “pivot to asia”.
That sounds like the opposite. In the article they mention changing the policy in 2017. Is that what you mean?
Sure they changed it: they ramped the new cold war up even further.
So, based on your source, it’s Trump policy rather than Obama policy?
Just as it was in the first cold war, it doesn’t matter which party is in the White House: the cold war marches on regardless. The deep state is real; it’s just not what what far-right wingnuts think it is.
Just trying to keep up with what message you’re trying to convey. First you said it started during the Obama administration, then you agreed it was later, during the trump administration.
I don’t have time to check even more sources you reference. Feel free to mention why your last source is relevant to our discussion and I might give it a glance. Or at least why it worth a read.
I was hoping Everett True would show up and punch out both of them.
Yup, that’s why I’m here and not on reddit anymore. Got perma-banned for speaking against the genocide in Gaza.
Their Authoritarian Oppression, our National Security concerns.
For real though.
Might be more accurate if they traded places.
Just ignore the fact that the actual technological capacity to accomplish this is being steadily built and deployed behind the curtain while you argue over who gets to control who and how.
Yarrr, let’s make it both.
They need to add a third wrapper called “anti semitism”
Just give all the control to a psychotic billionaire and Russia. They’ll be fine.
Also remember… friends don’t let friends use Twitter.
Deadname companies, not people.
That’s because companies aren’t people
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It should also include “disinformation”, “hate speech” and “conspiracy theory”.
No I’m pretty sure those are actual problems. I do not believe, for example, that people with megaphones should be free to tell the masses that Donald Trump won the 2016 election.
Not every “conspiracy theory” is something stupid and made up. Have you not heard of MK Ultra?
There’s a good chance some governments are still doing stuff like that, and I’m sure if you found some evidence of something like that and started talking about it, you would be silenced on any major platform because of these laws.
Also, if someone posts something online you think is dumb, do you really think it should just be deleted? Do you think that helps anyone?
But hate speech is never good, is it?
Hard disagree. Hate speech shouldn’t be censored. I believe in freedom of speech. Prosecuting people for “hate speech” misunderstands what freedom of speech is.
As long as you don’t threaten direct harm to a particular individual, you should not be censored or punished for it. If you do threaten harm to a particular person, you should not be censored but instead restrained, and what you said should be noted down and preserved for the date of a fair trial.
One person being upset shouldn’t mean the other (who didn’t know any better) has to spend the rest of their formative years in prison.
I think it’s easier to have to position that absolute free speech is the best solution if you are not part of a minority group who is the target of hate speech. (Not saying you aren’t)
The definition is tricky and if such law should exist it should have a good margin from being used for arbitrary “I was offended” type of offenses.
I don’t think prison, as you suggested, is a reasonable consequence either.
The repercussion to bad speech and ideas is inherent to the current paradigm of the internet: downvotes and ostracization.
Maybe they will wind up on their own forum saying despicable shit, but they were probably going to do that anyway. Bad ideas love a vacuum away from prying eyes and outsiders.
It can lead to prison in some countries (more than I imagine you’d think), which I think is very bad.
Also, the opposite of what you’re describing can happen. Governments and big media/tech companies can use censorship to prevent ideas they don’t like from spreading online.
What is hate speech?
Yeah, fair, definition can be hard. But to give an example that I think is pretty clear cut: people standing outside of a mosque/synagogue/church arguing that those [certain people] deserve to be dead or put in labor camp.
You could argue that those are just words, and be correct, but for the individuals that are targeted it’s not just words. They know for a fact that those words and ideologies do turn in to actions.
I think it’s easier to have to position that absolute free speech is the best solution if you are not part of a minority group who is the target of hate speech.
That only really applies to specific threats like that though, rather than just saying you personally think certain ideologies are morally wrong.
Stuff like “gay people are unnatural and should be corrected” and “drag queens/trans people/[insert bogeyman here] are pedophiles coming for our children” and “n***ers oughta be whipped”
My point is that it’s a moving target that will be abused. The government should not and thankfully cannot regulate speech based on the grounds of “hate”. Hate is also not illegal. (At least in the US)
For example, Christians are taught to love the sinner but hate the sin. Homosexuality, drag queens, transgenderism are sins in Christianity. With your new law Christians are now censored because their worldview disagrees with yours.
Whoever has the right to define that term has immense power and that power will be abused just like the other labels in the meme.
They aren’t censored for believing those things are sinful. They’re being punished for trying to enforce their views on what a person should be on people who aren’t them. The minute I start having to care about what the Christian sitting next to me thinks is sinful because he might hurt me if I don’t, he loses the right to free speech, you get me?
Have you not heard of MK Ultra?
Of course I have. Because it was declassified. And that means it’s no longer a conspiracy theory.
Also, if someone posts something online you think is dumb, do you really think it should just be deleted? Do you think that helps anyone?
Tell me with a straight face that you have never even thought about blocking a single other social media user. Tell me you think troll comments like “What’s a major turn off when dating?” “If she’s black” should not be removed by moderators.
It was a conspiracy theory. So were Edward Snowden’s documents. Hating conspiracy theories in general is an incredibly stupid take.
Yes to all your questions.
I’ve never blocked anyone. Maybe I would if they were spamming me on a chat for a very long time or getting super personal, and I would probably stop engaging if I didn’t have the time or energy for them anyway, but that’s pretty much irrelevant to what I think your point is.
I wouldn’t care if I encountered your hypothetical forum post. Granted, I’m not black, but that doesn’t affect what I’m saying much, especially when so many black people have already encountered a lot of racism in their lives.
Anyway, people can have whatever dating preferences they want. Just because you don’t want to date someone doesn’t mean you think of them as less of a person than anyone else. Do you hate your parents because you don’t want to fuck them? The comment was admittedly written almost certainly by a racist, but I actually still don’t think racist comments should be removed. Most mods do a little bit too much in my eyes, because it’s kind of in their nature.
Usually it’s highly uneducated people who go online trying to upset people or spread hate all the time, so why don’t more educated community members try to teach them? They might not want to listen, but they’ll probably go away if they don’t.
Generally I think people need to stay level-headed on forums. Your mental health is always more important than what some idiot says online, so remember to take a break whenever you need to. Welcome to forums.
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Every ounce of energy a person spends watching their back, making sure their fellow man isn’t out to get them, hardening their armor against the thousands of people trying to find a chink, find the one thing they can say that gets them to have a mental breakdown just because they think it’s funny watching them have a mental breakdown, is an ounce of energy they don’t spend creating, caring for each other, making the life of their fellow man just that little bit better, and unapologetically being themselves.
But if you’re so insistent that words on a screen can’t affect you unless you let them, Mr. Forumite, I guess you won’t mind if I end this conversation by telling you to go to the hardware store and buy a rope and a bucket, providing exhaustive instructions for how to tie a noose, and telling you to end your worthless life before you ruin anyone else’s, because your parents clearly never loved you and there’s no way anyone else who’s sane ever will.
Yeah. I don’t mind. I don’t care whether or not you say anything else to me, whether or not it’s intended to be hurtful.
What you don’t seem to me like you understand is that some people are far more prone to mental breakdowns than others, but it could happen to anyone. It could happen to you or I at some point in the future. If I were incredibly sensitive and easy to manipulate, then I could be going off to follow your instructions right now and end my life.
Some people can be manipulated with silver tongues. Look at what politicians do, and the media that mock different sides when they say certain things.
Nobody wants to be manipulated, and “hardening” yourself emotionally is what I think to be a very important and natural part of maturing.
I don’t think people should be erasing any information they even slightly disagree with though. The media only show you certain things to make you believe certain things, which is the point OP seems to have been making. Mods could also make a pretty good argument to delete your comment because you just told me to kill myself, but I still don’t personally think they should.
Genuinely, though, calm down, mate. This is just a space to have discussions in your spare time. We should all be friends here. My advice would be to take a break, especially if you don’t want the mods to come in and ban your account.
Deep breaths. Most things people say don’t matter very much. It should usually be that simple.
So you believe that, since there are a large number of people who can be easily manipulated by words into believing or doing certain things, and there likely always will be, words may as well inherently have power and we should be careful with how we use them, but you simultaneously believe that the solution to this is just to make everyone grow thicker skin?
For the record, though, I don’t believe anyone should kill themselves, or anything that I said about you personally in the second paragraph. Quite the opposite, in fact. I only said that to make the point that “just words on a screen” can do horrible things to the right people, which I’m glad you seem to understand.
Should that homeless guy on the corner with a megaphone be allowed to tell people he is Jesus?
You’d think the answer would be “of course he should” until you realize that basically every cult that has ever existed has started that way.
Nah. Koresh, Jones, Manson, they weren’t yelling at people through a megaphone on the street corner. They were smart and knew how to manipulate people. Scientology, Mormons, same thing. I guess this argues against my original point, but how are you going to stop these people but still allow for free speech?
And I think cult leaders should be able to say what they want, just like intelligent people should be able to laugh at them.
Although the actual implemented measures are still privacy and free speech violation and arbitrarily enforceable laws and less oversight for government and police.
Just because the wrapper says less made up things doesn’t sadly make the package any different.
I don’t disagree. I do believe that censorship of any kind is a very slippery slope. I’m just tired of the right-wing narrative that people telling them that their opinions are not welcome in certain spaces is censorship.
There will be Poppins https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNcEVYq2qUg
At first I thought you said puppies :(
“hate speech”
What do you want to say that is categorized as “hate speech”?🔪🦢
