Donald Trump offered to weaken climate regulations in exchange for a $1bn contribution from oil company bosses to support his return to the White House later this year. During a dinner for senior oil executives at his Mar-a-Lago club last month, Trump “vowed to immediately reverse dozens of president [Joe] Biden’s environmental rules and policies and stop new ones from being enacted” if they gave him the money, according to the newspaper. One top priority for the executives, which Trump said they would get “on the first day”, was an end to the freeze on permits for new liquefied natural gas (LNG) exports, the article notes.
This is one bold example of the differences that matter in this election.
One side tells you directly how they will fuck you over.
The other side lies about how they will fuck you over.
They are both the same and will fuck you over.
i’m almost 100% sure you both sides people are bad faith actors because nobody can be that stupid. gtfooh
Bad faith my ass.
The entire system is corrupt. I trust none of them and they fact that people vote the lesser of two evils kinda proves what I’m saying.
Brother you haven’t said anything except “both sides are the same” which makes your intentions real clear.
You said that both parties are the same, but also that one is the lesser of two evils, which means that one is better than the other. So are they the same, or is there one party that’s better than the other?
“WAAH!! I can’t have the perfect candidate so I won’t participate and/or throw my vote away on a third party candidate, damning everyone in the process!!”
^that’s you
You must support ranked choice voting then?
That would destabilize the two party system into more parties and more representation.
If not then I don’t understand your motivation.
If not then I don’t understand your motivation.
Some of them are true believers. Some are being edgy because they know it bothers people. Some are bad actors trying to convince others not to vote because not voting always benefits the Republicans.
True, I was just saying that in another thread, when more people vote (of any politicsal affiliation) the statistics say democrats win bigger. I don’t remember why it’s true but it is. Something to do with demographics.
TLDR, More people voting is good for dems.
My personal opinion, backed in part by things I’ve read, in part by things I’ve seen, and in part just things I’ve pulled out of my ass:
Old people have more time to vote so they do it every election and tend to go conservative. Younger people (by and large) tend to skew liberal or progressive because they don’t want things to go back to an imaginary time before they were born. They also tend to have college, are working crazy hours to make ends meet, or have social obligations that they feel are incredibly important so they don’t go vote unless they feel like something is on the line.
Toss your own vote, then, and leave us well-intending citizens alone.
Yea… no. Trumps clearly fucking worse on the environment.
I never claimed one is better then the other. They all suck, the system sucks and bribes (aka lobbying) is to blame
Biden put rules in place to protect the environment. Trump will remove them. How is one not better than the other if the environment is important to you?
I totally get your apathy, but when it comes to the election in November, we have a binary choice that we need to make. When it comes to the election we need to focus on factors relevant to that choice.
You don’t even seem to be able to read.
They are not the same.
I don’t like Biden, or most Democrats, and I agree with you that they are fucking us over.
But they are not the same.
Biden won’t need to pardon himself when he leaves office (assuming he’s alive).
If you don’t vote for Biden, you’re voting for Trump. When you don’t vote, you’re voting for the people who say your vote doesn’t matter, who say you have no power, who say both sides are the same, and nothing can ever change.
If you wait for the perfect candidate to go out and vote, then you are voting against progress.
Trump’s promise is literally to undo what Biden did, so it would logically follow that you’re an idiot.
Biden’s promise is that Trump won’t accept election results, and the nation will be plunged into cataclysmic ecocidal fascism.
So why is he spending his time outlawing tiktok instead of truth social if the risk is truly so monumental? Why does Biden seem to care more about allowing trump to run than halting fascism? Why would the democrats rather lose than shift left?
The funniest part is watching liberals try to understand where this discontentment on the actual left is coming from: is it russian bots? Is it maga trolls? Is it Chinese agents? As opposed to the revelation that maybe some people are further left and more apathetic than run-of-the-mill American liberal democrats. Anger at Joe Biden is anything but inorganic.
Marxists weren’t warning about the inevitable alignment between fascists and liberals for 200 years for nothing, you know. There’s history behind that argument.
Take a step back and understand you are now arguing in favor of perpetuating your ecocidal, genocidal, and imperialist political project at the expense of 32,000 palestinian lives. You are the bad guy. I suspect that 30 years from now when the choice is between democrat who wants 5 genocides and a republican who wants 10, you’ll still be screeching about how important it is to vote for 99% Hitler since political analysis for liberals stops at the revelation that 99<100.
when the choice is between democrat who wants 5 genocides and a republican who wants 10, you’ll still be screeching about how important it is to vote for 99% Hitler since political analysis for liberals stops at the revelation that 99<100.
So you think supporting an additional 5 genocides doesn’t make YOU the “bad guy”. Shit you couldn’t even get to the level of political analysis that “99<100” is, why the hell should anyone listen to a thing you have to say?
Everyone is dumber for having read this.
Do you know what we get to see of this “actual left” around here?
Not organizers trying to set up a demonstration in Washington. Not people linking to websites explaining how to mail your governor or the white house with suggested text passages. Not activists recruiting stunt performers to make some artistic display that will get reported in the press. Not people trying to aid the resistance within Israel itself.
All we see is people trying to dissuade the non-fascists from voting.
Fascist Russia’s genocidal war on Ukraine is completely masked out. In online spaces held by Marxist-Leninists, aka tankies, fascist Russia is even elevated to be the good guy, with mods deleting dissent. During China’s genocide of the Uyghurs, tankies posted Chinese propaganda memes trying to keep their communities supportive of China.
German anti-fascists had a name for such people. Collaborators.
These “don’t vote” posts always do the same shtick, too, attacking and blaming liberals (hint: Marx actually admired liberalism), while claiming some true, real, actual left is much better (how? are they all John Rambo? Do we have to wait until the shooting starts?). It just doesn’t look very organic, it looks like talking points constantly injected into tankie spaces by Russian propagandists.
Both sides might be bad, but one side is neoliberal and the other side is fascist, give me the neoliberals until we can dismantle the systems that allow both to exist.
This is one of the reasons why it’s disappointing to hear progressives and center-left people talking about not voting for Biden over his response to Gaza. There are literally thousands of other issues where a second Trump term would disastrous. Plus, Trump would be disastrous to Gaza as well. Makes no sense.
It’s worse than that. Even if by some miracle we make it out of a second round of Trump, the DNC isn’t going to learn their lesson. They didn’t learn it in the past when they lost, they aren’t going to learn it now. They’ll keep on doing the same thing they always do, maintain the status quo at the worst, and make limp progress at best.
The problem here is systemic to our election system. It’s not going to be solved by pissing away votes through 3rd party and protest votes. The DNC won’t give a single shit. The only way this gets solved is if we dismantle FPTP voting in this country, and push hard for election finance reform, and a ban on lobbying.
So in the end, it seems like a bunch of people are going to end up letting Trump slip into office, and it will be a disaster. Accelerationism only hurts people. It isn’t going to result in a utopia.
We gotta vote in every election and vote hard left when possible. And it’s gotta be millions of us.
Otherwise, we’re getting more of this. But I’ll keep doing my part.
Agreed. For what little it’s worth, I’m doing my part.
Yeah like fascism.
He did the same thing with his last term. This time he’s getting paid up front.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/climate/trump-environment-rollbacks-list.html
Just fascists doing fascist things
I know OP included it in the text description, but I feel like the title really needs to include “for $1,000,000,000.” We’ve all known politicians have been susceptible to bribery since the dawn of humankind, but this has still got to be the most blatant, unashamed, fuckery that I have ever read.
The newspaper adds that, for their part, leaders at major oil companies “have been preparing for a possible Trump second term by drafting executive orders designed to be ready to sign as soon as he returns to office”.
It doesn’t mention that the oil companies are writing the executive orders themselves because they don’t believe anyone in Trump’s second administration would be capable of writing an executive order that would stand up in court.
The US will not recover socially or economically from another Trump presidency. His massive tax cuts for the extremely wealthy alone pushed us 20 years ahead on worsening wealth inequality. Deregulating all industry and corruption at all levels would complete the decline into a banana republic and hasten the coming climate refugee crisis from the coastal areas. If America wants a 1/2 billion dollar tax fraud who loves to rape women and fuck porn stars who has never worked an honest day in his life so be it. Count me out.
But the oil companies have told us they are committed to helping with a green future. /s
Even if they were both the same, a loss for trump means a $1bn loss for the oil companies.
