See… Now you’re making more sense but you’re wavering between points about when he got gun and the on set practices generally.

No, they aren’t required to see the armorer load it, although that sounds like a best practice. Sounds like standard is the AD gets it from the armorer and keeps direct control until handing it to the actor is also accepted practice and allegedly used as process on set.

A expired contract isn’t ideal and, again, I agree it’s not a good look. Did she lose her skill when the contract elapsed? Is this pedantey or how does this matter? After much searching I keep seeing that she was the head armorer. None of the articles I’ve reviewed bring that up, so it reads as a possibly interesting fact that all researched people decided wasn’t germane.

I agree that a person fully trained in gun handling would go beyond the film industry’s general practices. I’d be exceptionally cautious and I’ve only fired guns a handful of times in my life. No sweeps, no bullets and act as if it’s always loaded. Never point at something you aren’t willing to obliterate.

I hope you’re checking your brake lines. Cars kill people. They see daily use and people have assimilated that risk and tend to think so little of it we see brake checkers and other offensive acts. We’d do well to always check our brake lines. The consequences of brake failures are very often severe, if not death.

I am NOT saying he’s blameless. I’m not saying HGR is. I’m saying there’s a standard to when a responsible person says that someone did x. It’s typically criminal conviction. You have no such concerns. As such, it is opinion by accepted convention.

Separately, what you described is not supported by my various searches where I attempt to find the very thing you assert. In that light, I’d say I’m softening my original SOP assertion. They have practices, but it sounds like the practices vary by armorer, state or set. They’ve been effective for quite a while, but very obviously multiple mistakes were made on the set of Rust.

To continue my analogy: We should all check our brake lines. The consequences of failed brake lines is death (I know this isn’t true, but same applies to guns - it depends on situation) . And this is why if you turn someone into pink mist, it’s your fault. You need to double check your mechanic’s actions after every service.

Or do you just kinda trust them with your life, the lives of loved ones and the lives of others in/near the roads you drive? I do.

Cars kill people. Remember, that’s where you planted a flag. They are nothing alike. Right?

And now you want to litigate, with non-lawyer me, a trial that will never happen and would need a new round of investigation in light of the new revelation. That investigation , possibly moot, so where are two nerds on the internet going to find the resources for that?

Again, have your moral certainty. I just wouldn’t act like it’s proven. It sounds like a dick move on a good day.

The movie industry has a Standard of Operations where an expert ensures safety and provides better protection than individual actors can. We cannot expect them to police the props and I sure as hell don’t want them deciding if it’s a blank or not.

He followed that process.

Now the legal system has spoken and the prosecution made such a mess of it a proper trial cannot happen.

You can state your convictions all you want. Good faith would include “allegedly.” You’re full of certanties and cast judgement like it’s your job. At him. At me. At others.

Have your certainty. Maybe that will keep you warm at night.

My link was posted on this thread and speaks directly to the events of that day. It’s easier to find than your implication that if I want a citation I need to read all the next under the OP.

I’m on vacation with family. I’m not spending hours on you. You’re just not worth it. You can feel free to read that last sentence a couple times, but I want to tell you the tone: these are events in New Mexico. We weren’t on set. There are far more important things than if some person on the internet thinks I should spend time finding out what I already know. People on the internet aren’t worth the judgement and vitriol you spew.

When you’ve re-proceszed my link, because it addresses your post (I’d think) and shows they my original metaphor works… Then we can consider contuing.

Or you can consider me not worth your time. And I’d support that. I’m just some dude on the internet. And it’s just some actor who will never get a real trial. And it’s not worth all the feels you’re putting out there…

You’d have gotten further with me by talking about how poorly he handled the situation that lead to this. Instead you’re back to checking the brakeline every time you drive.

Naw.

I’m here for discussion, not argument. But you can post your first citation in this thread. I’ve already done one.

You’ve used a lot of words, made a lot of assertions but followed few of the standards of civil debate.

And you can have those moral convictions.

I’m not sure that’s how it would be viewed in the eyes of the law, which has been the basis of my replies.

According to the affidavit, Halls said he did not check all cylinder chambers, but he recalled seeing three rounds in the cylinder at the time. (After the shooting, Halls said in the affidavit, Gutierrez-Reed retrieved the weapon and opened it, and Halls said that he saw four rounds which were plainly blanks, and one which could have been the remaining shell of a discharged live round.)[44] In the warrant, it is further stated that Halls announced the term “cold gun”, meaning that it did not contain live rounds.[42] Halls’s lawyer, Lisa Torraco, later sought to assert that he did not take the gun off the cart and hand it to Baldwin as reported, but when pressed by a reporter to be clear, she refused to repeat that assertion.[45]

It’s Wikipedia, but it matches what I’ve read elsewhere. He was told he had a cold gun. There is a division of responsibility and what’s described doesn’t match your assertion.

No. But with the withheld evidence now known… The armorer herself may not have been convicted and she’s certainly getting retried.

Those mistakes didn’t happen in a vacuum. But proving where that vacuum came from doesn’t have the same certainty that it did.

If you know your brakes are failing, and they fail… It’s not mysterious.

I’m not tho. One of the implications of the bullets being a little bit of everywhere was that it implied another source.

If you’re driving and your brakes mysteriously fail, consequently someone dies. Is it manslaughter?

Edit: clarity.

Hav me you read the Bible?

Within some circles, it’s a little bit of one. Just not one that works legally or with you or me.

We should be able to respond with varying degrees of enthisiasm: Thank you! Alright then. Hmph Meh Eff off.

You know… For sentiment analysis.

People hurt themselves that way. Play it safe, walk slowly to the fridge and back.

Or flags. Especially with blue lines.

“I saved millions of dollars (I don’t need) on accident so their damages don’t matter. Those would only matter if I did it on purpose. I don’t remember doing it on purpose.”

“It was God’s judgment.”

I come to this from a couple angles.

I have type 2 and have been prescribed ozempic. My numbers are suddenly good and I can feel satiated. Now when people hear that you have type 2 they get an image. I’ve never been that, but type 2 found me anyhow. Weight-loss is nice, but not as important to me.

My wife ended up on Wegovy. She didn’t eat much, walked regularly, went to regular swimming sessions… Did all those things you’re supposed to do. Not only did she not lose, she slowly gained. She did all that because it was the right thing to do.

Wegovy hit the market and she qualified in part and mainly because nothing else worked. She was already not eating much. And the insurance paid because she’d been doing Noom, exercise, etc.

So… She and I get the same active ingredient and both benefit. It makes you feel sick for a day or two a week. Certain foods become revolting.

It does what we need. But the stereotypes that people have around these meds aren’t entirely accurate.

Based on what I’ve seen, I expect it will continue until well past collapse too.

Gotta marry her tho. Them’s the rules.

Science. Threat analysis. Entertainment at our silly ways.

If they have abundant resources and energy, sending probes wouldn’t be a challenge.

I’d enjoy Katie Porter. Dunno if she’s ready for something like the presidency, but I’m ready for a president like her.