• WtfEvenIsExistence1️@lemmy.ca
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    You have socialism. Then you have capitalism pretending to be socialism ahem People’s Republic of China ahem.

    Socialism is good, State Capitalism is trash.

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      Don’t even get me started on the ones who try to argue that “North Korea is more free and democratic than the US”.

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          don’t count on it. back before i switched instances i had to read hexbear users unironically praising china’s “democratic dictatorship.” highly recommend reading the wikipedia article on it; it’s actually incredibly uninformative.

          edit, to be clear, it’s a lot of describing the history of the phrase and vague ideas about the interactions between “the bourgeoisie, proletariat, and economy,” with nothing at all about how it actually is implemented into the government and differs from a regular dictatorship in any way. probably because it doesn’t. here

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            Again hearing more about tankies but never encountering them. There must be some sort of cream for all that butt hurt you people have.

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              lmao i wonder if that has anything to do with the fact that your instance defederated them. it’s 90% of what they post

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                Sounds like your instance is small as shit and other small communities dominate the conversation while the rest of us don’t give a shit.

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                  You literally can not view Hexbear comments and posts because .World defederated from them. You replied asking where the tankies everyone is complaining about are and got your response. I don’t even know what you’re trying to say.

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      also the people that say socialism is fascism are the ones slowly taking our rights away.

      You want to read what book? No we don’t like it. Who are you gonna have sex with? No we don’t like that…

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        You want water while waiting in line to vote in the same state where we shut down polling locations and tried to ‘find’ nonexistent votes? Nope, don’t like that ether!

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        Well, that or Marx purists. Marx believed that the transition between capitalism and socialism would include a period where the state was fulfilling capitalist roles and run as the infamous “dictatorship of the proletariat.”

        He never quite seems to explain how democracy arises from said dictatorship, or the people’s recourse when it inevitably corrupts.

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      Ahh thanks for the great reminder for all the tankies about communism failing for China and all these nations so they had to incorporate capitalism and allowed privatization of industries.

      USSR did it, China did it, Vietnam did it, Cuba is doing it.

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        hexbear users can’t see this comment, so it falls on my sleep-deprived ass to point out that socialist nations essentially have two options: 1) ban all capitalism and be banned from trade in turn, like Cuba and the USSR, or 2) permit some measure of capitalism, give the west its profits, and use that as leverage to gain access to trade, like China and Vietnam. You either play ball or get strangled to death.

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      Socialism can be good if the government doesn’t have to resort to totalitarianism to enforce it - and when has that ever happened? Rarely. Rarely.

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        The Democratic People’s Republic of Korea has “Democratic” in it’s name, but no reasonable person actually consider them democratic. Just because a country claims to be something, doesn’t make it true.

        If China was Communist or Socialist, they wouldn’t have wealthy billionaires. It’s just a cover for their authoritarianism.

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          That’s not how communism ends up being, it looks great on paper but once a human element is added it goes it shit and some people will be richer than others. It doesn’t make what they have capitalism by any stretch. It’s got bits of the free market there but thinking they’ve got anything like capitalism in the West is a joke.

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            That’s not how communism ends up being

            No, the countries you think are communist just were never actually communist they just claim to be or other people claim they are. There are very few actual communist countries, if there are any at all. To be communist you have to be classless with everyone equal to each other. China is not communist, Russia is not communist, Cuba is not communist.

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              Lol ahh yes the tankie excuse of “that’s not real communism”…no it’s real communism because that’s how it always turns out. Stop trying to defend the shit.

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                “that’s not real communism” is something no “tankie” ever said. It is strawman set up exactly by the people like those the original meme mock, the white westerner pseudoleft idealists.

                All the countries mentioned in the original meme were/are socialist and it was/is glorious. Westolefto can eat shit, their succdem and ultra movements didn’t achieved even 1/1000 of what ML’s did.

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                  By all means please leave and move to these glorious places. I heard russia needs meat for their “glorious” fight against the “Nazi” Ukrainians and the evil west.

                  Fuckin’ tankie shit.