What a stupid comparison. Guns have one purpose - destruction. You can talk about all the things you can do with guns, but their intended purpose and design is to destroy. The better they destroy shit, the more valuable they are. They’re nothing without that.

Yep, no argument there, but that wasn’t my point.

Pools and hot tubs are not that, and provide value to families and communities in other ways. Also, it’s water. Literally water. And many areas have building codes surrounding pools and their safety. Mainly fences and safety covers. Homeowners insurance is also more expensive when you own a pool.

You do know how many laws there are on the books for firearms right? It’s over 20k laws in state and federal gov.

Does that stop every child from drowning? No. Do we know how many times a child was saved because a pool was legally required to have a fence or safety cover? Also no.

What’s the point of this? You don’t know how many kids on average are stopped by a safer either.

Also, there is no one running around with pools or hot tubs in their pockets drowning children en masse.

Again, so it doesn’t matter that 950 kids a year on average drown, because that’s just the deaths you’re willing to take to have access to a body of water right?

Semantics matter greatly. The general public hears mass shooting and thinks, random act of violence. They don’t hear “3am crack house was shot up by rival gang”.

I did answer your question. It matters because it is used as a agenda to make the public feel like we have random mass shootings daily. It %100 matters.

This is why the GVA is bunk crap, because it twists the truth.

I’ve never said that there should be no discussion of gun control. I just point out how little logic is behind the gun control that’s proposed, because it’s not based in reality.

Cry all you want big boy, the science is on the side of us non-brainwashed, rational people who understand the need for actual gun regulation in a civilised country.

I’m not the one crying, the 2nd isn’t going anywhere, and neither are my firearms. More and more people on the left are arming themselves, and the gun control types are becoming a smaller and smaller group. The support you think you have is basically on echo chambers like reddit and here.

Too bad the US hardly qualifies to that group any more. Third world level literacy rates, so many homeless that human shit is an actual issue in supposedly civilised cities, and firearms as the leading cause of death for children. https://www.forbes.com/sites/darreonnadavis/2023/10/05/firearms-now-no-1-cause-of-death-for-us-children---while-drug-poisoning-enters-top-5/

First, I’m all for social programs, ending the war on drugs, mental health, single payer healthcare and increasing our funding to education.

Second, firearms is not the leading cause of death for children. It was during covid because of how many people weren’t driving and how depressed people got from being stuck inside and not being able to socialize.

There’s a literal mountai in the of evidence showing that all you need to do to start facing this problem is reasonable nation-wide gun regulation. Something everyone knows works and something that you won’t find science against, because gun regulation being the answer is as clear to most people as is the fact that the Earth is round, not Flat.

Tell that to mexico or Brazil, you also forget that all the places you love to claim have lower gun violence are places with social support for their citizens.

But you will find Flat Earther crazies who won’t believe in the science even when their own science proves that they are indeed wrong.

Not even in the same ballpark.

You’re emotional. You get so angry when you’re reminded that you go against science because you don’t have the balls to actually use your own brain.

Lol yea… I’m the angry one here.

https://epirev.oxfordjournals.org/content/38/1/140.full.pdf+html

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Oh yeah no, it doesn’t bear any rationale to this argument. It’s just there because gun nuts always default to the “you’re just afraid of my pew-pew sticks, that’s why you support gun regulation”. Nah. I love guns, they’re fun. But you know what I care more about than loud bangs? That children don’t have to live in fear of some incel fucktards charging into their school with a pimped out AR15 with a bumpstock.

The problem here is, you don’t seem to care that kids die, just how they die. Most murders happen with handguns. In fact, murders with ar15s are so rare they’re just included into all rifle deaths, because they’re statistically pointless.

There’s literally not a single peer reviewed study that concludes that less gun control is better, for anything.

That’s not how the second amendment works, it’s not there to reduce our violence. It’s there to stop a tyrannical gov…one of which seems to be coming more and more everyday. Do you just ignore the shit that’s coming out of trump and his ilks mouth?

But I’m sure the lack of science won’t stop you, just like it doesn’t stop Flat Earthers.

Statistics are what I look at. Which is why you thinking another bumpstock or AWB would do anything is hilarious.

You’re really just here to prove my point about the willfull ignorance of nuts like you. So… thanks, I guess?

Yes I’m the nut.

So what’s your question then? Most gun violence is not random. Hell most violence is not random. That’s what the public perceives though. Which causes the gun control issue to be heavily viewed as something its not. Hence the incessant need to act like another AWB would do anything to curb the violence. When in reality it would do absolutely jack shit, because the majority of gun deaths are via handguns.

Because Pandoras box is opened and there is no closing it. Criminals will get access to firearms even if they’ve all been banned. Gun control logic is like giving a bandaid to someone with cancer.

We need to fix the why, not the how of our violence issue.

We need to focus on social programs, single payer healthcare, our education system, prison and police reform, and ending the war on drugs. Just these things alone would drop our violence by 100xs what another useless gun control bill would do.

Yes I to can make up bullshit…

You’re being emotional, and that’s how shit laws get created. Your logic follows the same crap that anti-abortion groups use, it’s all based on emotions.

And you having “shot guns” doesn’t make you an expert on guns.

More kids die from drowning than from being killed at school by a massive order of magnitude. Why aren’t we closing pools and hot tubs? Or you don’t want to because them dying isn’t really the issue to you. It’s what was used to have them die isn’t it?

https://www.childrenssafetynetwork.org/infographics/facts-childhood-drowning

3am…gang or drug violence…not a mass shooting.

A mass shooting, as the public understands, is one that is a random act of violence in a public place.

Not a drug den at 3am.

That sounds like it had almost nothing left in the tank. A full one will burn for a good bit.

Coal is not allowed in this household!

They don’t blow up, but they will create a bigass torch that will spin them around some. You’re not getting blown into pieces, but you’re going to be going into the er with some bbq’d body parts.

Because most of them have no jobs and live off the gov. While talking shit about people who aren’t racist cock wagons, that use gov support. So they have nothing to lose.

%100 probably double the cost of online.

Lol you people do realize you can buy ammo online right? A vending machine is just a poor try to remove someone checking out your purchase in a store.

The ignorance around here for anything guns is hilarious.

Calling everything racist waters it down…these are the same people who think we didn’t go to the moon…which carried a bunch of white guys.

This isn’t racism, it’s just ignorance.

O I completely understand that, it’s not really an issue. My point is that prohibition doesn’t work on humans, people will be violent with or without tools to do violence. Education and social support is the best way to decrease violence, not trying to continuously remove the next weapon people create or use.

Lol you have no clue who I am, blind I am not. Your ignorance to the subject is not something that gives you a pass. Islam is not a peaceful religion, they’ve been fighting in that part of the world way before even the US existed. Right now, in today’s world it is the most violent of religions. It is oppressive to women and lgbtq+ persons and is a current stain on the world. Your whataboutsim does not negate these points.

Clearly not since they called out how much knife crime exist here.

Not just SA crimes. Fighting between males would be insane.

Violence isn’t magically stopped because of knife lengths.