• afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world
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    9 months ago

    I don’t see why calling for a ceasefire is such a non-starter. Everyone there can go back to work butchering each other more effectively if they are well rested.

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      9 months ago

      The entire country of Israel wants to build back their military reputation for deterrence. Opposing political parties got together to back their military response. Plus, almost everyone in Israel knows someone killed or captured by Hamas, that’s why it was 15 9/11s or whatever. There is no high minded worry about peaceful ideals when your kid was killed by Hamas.

      I’m against all the killing and especially of civilians, I think the US should and is pushing for a ceasefire, but I also see why it isn’t working. It’s not because the administration isn’t trying hard enough, it’s because nothing will stop the fighting until Israel achieves at least some of its goal for destroying Hamas and building back the deterrence.

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        9 months ago

        It’s also because the administration isn’t trying hard enough. Reagan stopped the bombing of West Beirut with a phone call. Biden should at least be able to get Israel to follow the rules of war if he threatens them with cutting aid. Also these are 1200 people in a population of 10 million. I find it very hard to believe that most people know someone who was killed or captured.

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      9 months ago

      Hamas’ popularity with the people and their allies is really low right now. A victory (cease fire) corrects that for them

      And also your second part, it’s a lot easier for them to attack Israel if they aren’t expecting it

      Israel and Palestine don’t gain anything from a ceasefire unless negotiations take place

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      9 months ago

      Every side have their own agenda. Every now and then stars align.

      If you go back 3-4 decades, you’ll notice a pattern.

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      9 months ago

      I think it is because if the Israelis kill a lot of people in Gaza right now, they can later say it is because they were hot-headed and not planning things properly (which they should do anyways, so it doesn’t really matter). If they stop now, and go back to attacking again later, they can’t say that anymore.

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      9 months ago

      Yes, because whomever Biden loses to will DEFINITELY have a different policy on Israel that couldn’t possibly be worse in every measure.

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      9 months ago

      His admin got the 4hr pauses, they are absolutely getting a ceasefire by the time of the election in 2024.

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        9 months ago

        It does him in because it hasn’t been demanded of Israel beginning in the first week of the genocide. Yes, this is a genocide perpetrated by the Israelis, and the majority of us do not want our taxpayer dollars funding it. Biden the war hawk acts as if there’s no other choice, and he’s clearly wrong about that.

        That said, it would be 100% Biden’s MO to get the ceasefire sometime next year after hundreds of thousands more civilian casualties and call that a “win.” Pathetic, dinosaur, loser.

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          9 months ago

          Biden was a darling of the Israel lobby for most of his career. His Vice Presidency was a fig leaf thrown to satiate them into supporting Obama’s presidential run, since Obama was known for openly recognizing the situation and even attended pro-Palestine events and lectures.

          Americans don’t really have a say in their foreign policy, it’s basically whatever the military industrial complex decides is in America’s best interest.

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    9 months ago

    Americans will always do the right thing, only after they have tried everything else.

    – Winston Churchill

    Not sure about the always part.

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    9 months ago

    I mean…if they release the hostages I’m sure they’d ceasefire. But releasing them all from weeks of rape and torture isn’t on the table for Hamas so the Israelis will keep going till they’re recovered or dead probably.