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      Yep they’re trying(and succeeding at in some states) to frame women as cattle. Where the fetus no matter what the viability is, or the danger to the women’s health, and her socioeconomic status in regards to being able to raise a kid(with little to no help from the state that made her carry the fetus to term without any social safety net and if their is one it’s completely underfunded and has lack of easy access. Wtf is going on in peoples minds that think this is alright? I swear the alt right and republicans just give lip service “ small government” while they laugh all the way to the bank and damn well make sure that their daughters,wife’s, mistresses have access to those health services that is “plebs” are not privy too. /end rant

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      The actual crime she was nabbed for was illegally hiding human remains. Her mother who provided the abortion pills is the one actually going to be in a lot more trouble it sounds like.

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      Killing a baby at 28-weeks of pregnancy and hiding the body is illegal in the vast majority of the US, including in blue states.

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        Abortion should be legal at any trimester, for any reason. No one has the right to use your body without your consent (unless Republicans succeed). Pretty sure that’s how it is in Canada.

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          Some people do it even years after birth, so there are always someone pushing it.

          Point is that “tour right To swing your fist ends just where my nose begins”

          At some point those cells become person wether that is after three months, nine months or nine years is up to debate. I think medical professionals are best equipment to advice us.

          I don’t believe you will find many doctors willing to do abortion in 7th month.

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            You are arguing in favor of abortion when you say “your right to swing your fist ends where my nose begins” I can’t believe you don’t see that. The principle says that we are generally free, but we don’t have the right to harm or infringe upon someone else. But, that’s exactly what’s happening when a woman is forced to give from her body to support a child. You are giving the child the right to swing their fist wherever, regardless of who it harms.

            The cells are a person from the very beginning. They are a person, and it is not wrong to abort them. It’s the most compassionate way to interpret our autonomy rights. The alternative is forced incubation.

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            Great, so Canada got it right, and you’re obviously swinging the weight of “western nations” as if it has any relevance. What matters is what can be argued to be correct, and I’ve argued that using bodily autonomy. You’ve argued… You’re right because most western nations agree. Totally barbaric and ignorant of my argument, but that’s obvious. You completely misunderstand consent, but that’s not surprising. I was taught that consent can be withdrawn, but you imply like she has to sit there and take it if she consented originally. Bizarre view of consent you have.

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            Where is your evidence that “almost every western nation disagrees with you”? Because I’ve seen many polls that say otherwise.

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                None of these countries would permit an abortion at 28 weeks, let alone let her keep the babies remains.

                The article sheds no light on why she needed a late-term abortion. If something is permissible and publicly funded, chances are a person gets it done early, in a clinic, without hesitation. In case of wanting an abortion, delay is harmful, having to travel, smuggle something or fear something (or gather money) is harmful. Also note: those countries have a separate schedule for normal and exceptional conditions. Which is generally not possible in a political environment that has banned abortion (some cities in Nebraska - yes, in the US, cities can regulate abortion, very strange for me). Some examples that I know of:

                Estonia:

                • under normal conditions, 12 weeks
                • under exceptional conditions, 22 weeks (risk to health, severe foetal disease, raising the child is prevented by health or sanity, the pregnant is under 15 or over 45)

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                • under normal conditions, 12 weeks
                • under exceptional conditions, 20…24 weeks (foetal abnormality gives a limit of 24 weeks)

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                • under normal conditions, 12 weeks
                • for medical reasons, 22 weeks
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        If it was easy to get an abortion earlier in the pregnancy when she wanted one, you would have a point. But you and I both know Republicans have made it next to impossible for women to get a legal abortion before whatever cutoff time have been mandated in law, especially in a deep-red shithole like Nebraska. When Republicans keep restricting access to legal abortions, things like this are going to happen. This is entirely a policy failure.

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            Right because the GOP is famously known for making it easy to get an abortion, and definitely don’t defund abortion providers so that people have to drive for hours to get an abortion. I’m sure the odds are high she lives right next door to one of Nebraska’s three whole abortion clinics, you know?

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                Okay first of all the article doesn’t say “held onto the babies remains.” She plead guilty to removing or concealing human skeletal remains, which most likely means she buried it.

                I’m sure during the 5 months, she could have found a day to drive and get an abortion if it was important to her.

                See, that’s an assumption, not a fact presented in the article. You don’t know if she had access to a car, and public transportation in rural areas is known for being practically nonexistent. It’s possible she didn’t get an abortion sooner because she simply did not have the means to.

                Putting an abortion clinic in a town of 1,000 people doesn’t make sense for clinics. I think your disgust comes from your lack of understanding rural america.

                You realize places like Planned Parenthood don’t just perform abortions, right? They provide all kinds of other family planning and women’s healthcare services, which are useful for most women, not just those looking to get an abortion. It makes sense for them to be easily accessible to everyone. And GOP has been attacking Planned Parenthood for years specifically to make it harder for women to get abortions. What this woman went through is exactly the sort of thing that was inevitable when the Republican party attacks women’s rights.

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      She wasn’t charged for the abortion, she was charged for hiding the remains. Did anyone read the article here?

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        Yes. I read the article. I know that already. The fact that she felt she had to do this is an indictment of Nebraska.

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      “In May, Burgess pleaded guilty to a felony charge of removing or concealing human skeletal remains.”

      Yes, I think hiding and/or stealing human remains should remain a crime.

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      It was always a crime to secretly force a stillbirth at 28 weeks and then bury the body without telling anyone. 28 weeks is almost 7 months (edit: math is hard). She had plenty of time to do it legally.

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          I wish people wouldn’t talk about pregnancy in terms of months.

          40 weeks is at typical pregnancy. A nice, round, simple-to-remember number.

          28 weeks is a pregnancy in the 6th month, just as a matter of fact. 28 weeks is also basically the earliest you would ever call someone in the third trimester and is the earliest a pregnancy is typically thought to have the possibility of viability.

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        There are quite a few medical complications that can be found after the 20 week ban. It is possible she did not discover it until after that. The article does not give information on the circumstances.

        As for what she is being charged with, improper disposal of a body, that seems proper assuming there was some sort of biohazard issue.

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        agree. fetuses can live outside the womb starting at ~24 weeks, whether you are pro life or pro choice i think (and hope) most of us can agree abortion at 28 weeks is very wrong. i dont understand how people can think otherwise. plus the article says nothing about the fetus posing any dangers to her health.

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          Absent more information, we cannot assert it was definitely wrong. You’ve intentionally framed this as “the article says nothing about the fetus posing any dangers to her health” which I have to assume is an intentional lie of omission. What the article actually says is nothing at all about the health of the fetus. It does not imply there was no danger to her health. It says nothing. Likely because it is an unknown.

          What we do know about a 28-week abortion is that such an abortion was not part of a normal, healthy plan. Late-term abortions like this are almost certainly from someone intending to carry to term who has some kind of crisis. We do not know the nature of severity of the crisis.

          In such a crisis generally, the community and the state should’ve been there to help them navigate it and reach an outcome that kept her as whole as possible while doing what is possible to keep the child alive. This was possibly a viable pregnancy. But I totally understand, especially to a teenager and in the current political environment of a place like Nebraska, being rightly too frightened to reach out for help.

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          We can not agree on that because we have no fucking clue on the circumstances. It’s possible she learned of a medical complication for the fetus after 20 weeks. It is possible that it is really difficult to get an abortion in Nebraska and it took a couple months to be able to obtain the resources to do it.

          We do not know because the information is not provided. It is possible that somehow after carrying a fetus for 28 weeks and likely knew for 22 of those weeks, she decided she no longer wanted it. We do not know but that seems unlikely to me.

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          To pretend that abortion after some arbitrary limit, should be illegal, is to make a mockery of pro-choice and bodily autonomy arguments. It even makes a mockery of pro-life. The whole thing is a complete joke. If you think abortion is murder, then agreeing to a term - based compromise is agreeing to let people murder children as long as they’re not too old. A compete mockery of pro-life. In reality, the arguments for bodily autonomy are so strong that everyone should have the right to abort at any term, because no one has the right to use someone else’s body without their consent (Republicans are changing this).

          When you support these arbitrary term-based bannings, you’re giving in to the social manipulation of pro-lifers who have successfully manipulated you into a compromise that supports their position.

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            Being pro-choice requires you accept abortion at any point is morally acceptable.

            It does not mean it is desirable. You can have a preference that an abortion late term not happen. It’s just a preference for individuals to behave more charitably, after all. And you’re free to institute policies that make it less likely to happen so long as those policies do not trample on an individual’s ownership of their own body. For example, you can create financial incentives to complete the pregnancy – cover the person’s living and healthcare expenses or flat pay them to do it.

            It’s telling that the “pro-life” types aren’t out here advocating for these kinds of policies that prevent individuals from WANTING to have abortions. If they truly were concerned about murder, they’d be out there making education and contraception available and pregnancy care available and cheap. They’d be expanding things like TANF. All sorts of policies that are normally part of the agenda of the same people that tend to be pro-choice.

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        You don’t know the circumstances because the article does not give them. Don’t be a fuck head. It is quite possible that there were medical complications that were discovered past 20 weeks.

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        It should not be a crime. The trimester is irrelevant. If the child had been born, it would have no right to anyone’s body. In the womb, it should have no right to someone’s body either. Pro-lifers have tricked you into arguing for unethical trimester-based bans. If it’s wrong to kill that baby after a certain number of weeks, it’s wrong to kill it before then too. To compromise, to allow abortion before a certain trimester but not after, is to make a mockery of the pro-life position, which says abortion is murder (but if you do it early you get a pass). There is nothing wrong with a late-term abortion compared to an early abortion. The child does not have a right to use someone without their consent.

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    These people care more about an unborn baby than they do about the baby after it’s born. Actually sad.

    If every one of these anti-abortion assholes want to start taking the babies of families who cannot raise them then it wouldn’t be seen as just a disgustingly hypocritical movement. That is not the case. If you want to start forcing women to have babies they can’t care for but you don’t want to take care of the consequences of that, you are the problem.

    Nobodies out here delivering fully sized aborted babies for shits and giggles. Pregnancies are painful and traumatic enough.

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        I read the article, people who stand outside abortion clinics disuading people from getting abortions when they’re within the term time is the problem. It’s also possible to have invisible pregnancies. The article doesn’t contain enough to go into but you can’t deny that protesting and harassment outside of abortion clinics would scare people away from doing it legally. Which now it’s made harder.

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    So weird to see people get bent out of shape over someone taking medication, especially since we do not have healthcare or childcare in this country.

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    Celeste Burgess, now 19, pleaded guilty to illegally concealing human remains after she had an abortion when around 28 weeks pregnant, beyond the 20-week limit then set by Nebraska law.

    This was before the change in the law. It is certainly possible that there were medical issues or that Nebraska made it extremely difficult to get an abortion. I wish the article offered more details. 28 weeks is extremely late for an abortion.

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      If I am reading this right, this sentencing is not even for the abortion. It is for hiding the body.

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        For her, yes. The mother is being charged with providing an illegal abortion.

        Not sure what the rules are for disposing of a late term abortion or what they should be.

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          I think it’s an illegal abortion because she is not licensed to provide abortions. At least that’s what I recall reading on this elsewhere. I could be mistaken as it would still have been illegal by state law of 20 weeks at the time. I do believe what this mother did is reckless. She provided a medical procedure that she isn’t qualified to oversee. All that being said, I’m pro choice, but I don’t know that this case really represents what people are saying it does.

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            This argument is circular since abortions after 20 weeks are prohibited. All of the qualified medicinal professionals are not allowed to provide late term abortions thus no qualified person could provide the medical care she needed. The fault is not with the mother for doing something unsafe but the state that requires that only unsafe conditions exist for the procedure.

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              I was talking about what the mother is specifically being charged with. I did a little extra looking and that charge (abortion by someone other than a licensed physician) was dismissed as she is pleading guilty to illegally providing an abortion after 20 weeks, false reporting, and tampering with human remains. I agree that restrictions on abortion have the potential to lead to unsafe abortions. I also think it’s true that someone unqualified should not attempt it. Both can be true I think.

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                That’s what I’m talking about as well. A rise in back alley abortions and thus abortions done by unqualified practitioners are a direct consequence of abortion bans. No one would need to hide “human” remains if a legal abortion was available. No one would be forced to find a provider who is available rather than qualified if the abortion was legal. One should not be judged for taking irresponsible measures if that is all that is available.

                Here is a source https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2709326/

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                  Idk that I can get with that last statement as a blanket for all cases, but I understand your point. Abortion should be legal and we as a society can still agree that someone unqualified shouldn’t be offering/providing them. I don’t think that’s unreasonable. Laws that prevent non-medical doctors from performing medical procedures would cover this, so making it specific to abortion isn’t necessary. I read an interesting write up on Jezebel about how these kinds of cases are really probing to see what the public will accept and that makes a lot of sense.

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              The state law that was in place prior to the overturning of Roe v. Wade would have had the same result for this mom and daughter. Not saying I agree with the 20 week ban, but that was the law. My point is that this case is being pushed so hard as a “look what happens after Roe v. Wade is overturned” and that just isn’t the case. There are other examples that illustrate that point more concisely.

              Unless you have details other reports don’t have, I don’t think we really know why they did this at 28 weeks. I have not seen anything that said they couldn’t afford it prior to 20 weeks so they did it themselves. I’ve seen a bunch of comments here that insert details that have not been part of any reporting I’ve seen. That’s not to say there isn’t more info out there I have not seen.

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                You’re a moron

                They wouldn’t be in the position where the mother would have to be the one providing the service were the service still legal for professionals to provide

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                  I’m a moron? Fuck off with all that. There’s zero evidence for what you’re saying. You’re talking out of your ass based on assumptions.

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        She aborted at 28 weeks when the law at the time was 20 weeks.
        She also hid the remains.

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      We’re not in fetus territory, here. A premature baby born at 28 weeks has an 80-90% chance of surviving and is unlikely to have any health issues.

      The article doesn’t say why they waited so long to reach this decision, but on the face of it this case starts to blur the line between abortion and murder.

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        A baby born at 28 weeks is absolutely likely to have health issues. What the fuck are you talking about? That would be extremely premature.

        A healthy fetus has a good chance of surviving, sure. But what if she found out that the fetus had a severe medical issue that would not see it live long outside the womb? That is significantly different. The article does not give detail on that.

        The face of it does not provide detail. I agree that this blurs the line but the line is blurry because of the lack of information.

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        It doesn’t matter what the age of the child is. Abortion at any age is not murder, because no one has the right to use someone else’s body without their consent (until Republicans succeed at allowing this). You’re arguing that a fetus has no right to someone’s body, until it grows up and reaches a magical “goldilocks zone” where it’s not too old, not too young, but juuust right. Then you say, “can’t abort, it’s alive, it has a right to use someone’s body without their consent!” and, then, once it’s born, it loses that right! The entire situation you’ve been manipulated into agreeing to, makes a complete mockery of the very pro-life values it’s supposed to espouse.

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    Just to point out something the headline is missing:

    I’m the united states 99% of abortions happen before the 21st week. For every state that has any sort of time limit on abortion, the absolute latest is the 25th week.

    At some point, there needs to be a cut off. At some point we should all be able to agree that the baby is too far along to be aborted. This girl took a pill at the 28th week, which was far beyond when it was designed to be taken.

    Now I don’t know if 28 weeks should be old enough for a criminal charge, but it’s definitely not as black and white as the headline makes it seem

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      Sure. I think that cutoff should be at birth. Because why should we have any baby born that will not be cared for?

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        my opinion is that the cutoff is viability. until the fetus can survive on it’s own without significant intervention, it’s not a living person. if the baby can be delivered and survive/thrive with minimal intervention, you’re past the cutoff.

        but, it’s worth noting that i am not someone who can carry/deliver, so grain of salt and all. and, additionally, this is a compromise mentality. i ultimately think that the issue of abortion should 100% be between a person and their doctor with zero influence or regulation by government agencies.

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            at 28 weeks, that’s entirely possible. but i also know that every pregnancy is different and no one-size-fits all approach to this particular metric would work. which is why, at the end of the day, it should be between a patient and their doctor alone.

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          Sure, I respect that. If that’s where you want to draw the line for your own (theoretical) abortion, I’m fine with you being able to make that choice for yourself.

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          I cannot carry a child either, but I feel if there should be a cutoff it would be when the baby would be truly aware. Brain activity isn’t even enough to qualify. The fetus knows what’s going on whether or not it can understand is different. Minimize pain.

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          I cannot carry a child either, but I feel if there should be a cutoff it would be when the baby would be truly aware. Brain activity isn’t even enough to qualify. The fetus knows what’s going on whether or not it can understand is different. Minimize pain.

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          Abortion is a termination of a pregnancy. 20 minutes before birth, the proper abortive procedure is a caeserean section. Regardless, no one should have the right to use someone’s body without their consent, which means there should be no term-based limits. If someone doesn’t want to give from their body to support another person, they should not be compelled (but are). Anyone agreeing to term-based limits has made a joke of their own position. It’s not murder if it’s before some arbitrary line you set, then it’s murder until the baby is born, then back to not being murder. You flip flop back and forth pretending you have justification and everything you’re doing is reasonable. There is no justification. If it’s murder than the whole thing should be banned, but it’s not murder, so the whole thing should be permissible. Compromising is playing into anti-choice’manipulative hands.

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            You’re actually making a really good point that I never thought of, I just wish you weren’t so antagonistic about it. I think you know that when the general public is talking about abortion, they’re referring to the destruction of the fetus/unborn baby. Further, having a discussion about when the cut off is isn’t being flip floppy or being manipulated, it’s a complex problem despite how black and white you describe it.

            That said, I’d never considered the idea that after a certain point, the abortion should consist of an early induced labor as opposed to the destruction of the fetus.

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              That’s because they’ve been brainblasted with the slogan that abortion is murder. The only response is counter-slogan. Abortion is healthcare.

              You say it’s a complex problem. I assert you’ve been conditioned to believe it’s a complex problem. The right to bodily autonomy gives a right to end the condition of pregnancy at any stage, whatever happens to the baby. What’s complex is convincing a population that isn’t even listening and has themselves been conditioned to not even realize the value of argument and so, they forgoe it.

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        So in that case, if a baby is fully viable with confidence that it would live if born today, you still think they should be allowed to be aborted?

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            You were, I was just verifying because I’ve never seen anyone with this extreme of a view. Christians like to say we want to murder babies, this is just the first time I’ve ever seen anyone who kind of fits the bill.

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              It’s not a baby until it’s born. It’s still a fetus even if it would have been viable if born. Any other deadline is going to be either arbitrary and not a good fit for some subset of cases. Also, wanting something to be legal is not equitable with wanting something to happen, and you should avoid falling prey to that false logic. I don’t think the person you are replying to is saying they would celebrate a last minute abortion, just that they think it shouldn’t be something that the blind hand of the legal system is applied to

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              It’s not extreme. It’s bodily autonomy. My right to my body should be as absolute as the right you believe you have to your own body. No one can take from your body without your permission (unless you have a uterus and are pregnant in the US) . Setting term-based limits makes a complete mockery of bodily autonomy and of pro-life. It can’t be reasonable to think abortion is murder after a certain number of weeks, but permissible before. Surely, it’s murder before. But pro-lifers pretend they’re rational and manipulate the populace into agreeing their being reasonable and rational by setting these limits. Nowhere do they address the argument of bodily autonomy, because they can’t, and so the next thing to do is lie, cheat, and steal the American populace, who has been trained to accept this kind of stupidity culture.

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              Nothing extreme about it, people just don’t realize how early a fetus can be viable with today’s medical expertise, so using that as a standard makes no sense.

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      Yeah I feel like a lot of people will make a reactionary comment without reading the whole article. Obviously if the mothers life is at risk or the baby just isn’t viable then a late-term abortion is the right move, but 24 weeks is 7 months. Easy for us to say with no baby inside us I guess, but that’s (imo) very late for an ‘I don’t want a baby’ abortion.

      There’s definitely a conversation to be had around whether this girl had suitable access to healthcare, to secure termination earlier. I guess only she and her mother know the answer to that. Women should have a right to choose if they’re going to have a baby, afaik from the article the cutoff was 20 weeks at the time of the offence, any women reading this… is it likely to be 17 in today’s world and not realise you’re pregnant for 7 months?

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        What’s the problem with 28 weeks?

        Yes, it’s clear that there must be a cutoff date. Personally, I like the biblical standard: baby’s first breath.

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      The criminal charges aren’t for the abortion, they’re for hiding the remains. Did anyone read the article here?

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    Considering no one would want to have an abortion in the third trimester if they couldn’t help it, this is either a situation of them being blocked from having an abortion at every turn earlier or a case where they wanted the baby, but found out that it was going to harm the mother and the state would do nothing about it because an unborn fetus trumps the life of the mother.

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    Wow this is so dehumanising that even though i live in India , which yall identify as a third world country feels like otherworldly shit !

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      that why i totally aprove changing how we categorize third and first world countries

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      “In May, Burgess pleaded guilty to a felony charge of removing or concealing human skeletal remains.”

      They let you hide and steal bodies in India? Guess I learned something new today.

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        from brasil, if the baby has complication that can kill the mother, abortion is allowed, i guess, in the USA lamb of free, both die, imright??

        usa the most third world country of all third world countries

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          If you have addtional links to information about this case I would be fine taking a look and reanalyzing my position.
          If not, please refain from making things up. It pushes people who are more open minded away from your position.

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          if the baby has complication that can kill the mother, abortion is allowed

          Nowhere in the article is it claimed this was the case. Why are you talking about a completely different situation?

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          if the baby has complication that can kill the mother

          Which was not the case in this situation

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            Really, you have evidence that supports this? Because the article doesn’t say one way or the other.

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        I don’t know any reasonable person that would say the U.S. is a worse country than india. >

        Well at least we still have affordable healthcare to begin with. Every year americans fly to new delhi to get admitted to Indian hosptials 🥹 coz they cant afford healthcare in their own country!

        Between the caste system, gang rapes and extreme poverty experience by a huge portion of your population and arranged marriage culture,>

        While one can argue racism in the united states and we do punish rapists here ,for year 2021 , us reported around 200k rapes while india did 20k comparing the population and all , but lets not make a comparison there. The women in india can at least legally abort ( no matter what the reason for not wanting the child is) while arranged marriages are part of culture that some may follow ,you dont have to get into one.

        America isn’t perfect, we’re a new country with a lot of kinks to work out, but you couldn’t pay me enough to get me to move to india. >

        India is relatively new when compared to the US and despite of the abject proverty that you claim , people with minimum wage can still afford to eat and have a place to live ! We arent at mercy of few capitalists , at least not yet ! And please , no one asked u to move !

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    Seems News is just “US News”. I gave up all interest in US politics after the 2016 primaries. Good luck with fixing your shit. I’m out.

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      Of course it is. The US invented the internet. Everything defaults to the USA unless specified otherwise

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        maybe because the US is very controversial because bad decisions get made constantly? when other governments make horrible brainrot-level decisions, that gets international attention as well.

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    You know Republican hoarding guns to keep a tyrannical government at bay? Well, this seems that tyrannical government.

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    Well done GOP/Nazi party. Putting young women in jail for taking control of their own bodies. Shame on you.

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      Killing a baby at 28-weeks of pregnancy and hiding the body is illegal in the vast majority of the US, including in blue states.

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        a yes, if the fetus has complications and gonna kill you, you can’t abort because “pRo-Life” while the mother dies

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          That…isn’t what happened here. Why are you talking about a completely different situation?

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          Do you have additional link with info to add about this case?
          The article does not mention any life threatening issues with the pregnancy.

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            yep, they don’t mention, because now it isn’t an excuse or she die, or she going arrested, and the news don’t provide enough information anyway, just look at the news about mothers goibg sick because can’t get health care

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              Yeah, I’ve been wondering if that’s a possible reason she did it: one day the fetus stopped moving and she panicked. Knowing that women have died/almost died because doctors were scared to remove the dead fetus.

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    The article makes it sound like she didn’t go to a doctor for this and her mother helped her get the pills and she took them super late in the pregnancy and then dumped the body. Any other articles that confirm the slant of this article?

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      I mean, given that y’all qaeda had stopped them from being able to actually seek medical support for this, what did you expect her to do?
      Hopefully sense prevails and this birther cult can be sent to the garbage can of history.

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    pleaded guilty to illegally concealing human remains after she had an abortion when around 28 weeks pregnant

    Regardless of the circumstances that may have led to this decision, this isn’t a case worthy of outrage. There were 28-week preemies in the NICU when my daughter was there. While there’s still growing to do at 28 weeks, this is a whole-ass baby, not just a bundle of cells.

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      So when a fetus arbitrarily grows large enough to be a “whole-ass baby”, it magically grows the right to use someone’s body without their consent? They just have to lay there and take it, because it’s been there for so long already? Only in republican USA.