Hugo Boss is looking forward to getting some new business with ICE.
Is this really an SS style bolt? I’m genuinely asking. And I know a lot of bad faith dialogue starts with that. I’m mostly asking because I don’t want to accidentally use something people view as an SS symbol. I hadn’t seen anyone call this the SS bolt until a few weeks ago. I always associated the flattened tips with it more.
I mean it’s verbatim a black version of the lightning bolt ⚡ emoji on Android - so it could just as easily be that. I’m no fan of ICE, but we’ve got plenty to be mad at and fight them about. When the arguments seem trivial, we lose face in public opinion.
Nazi lives DO NOT MATTER.
Do with that what you will.
Not ⚡️Smart
Not ⚡️Sexy
Not ⚡️Seeing anyone
Not ⚡️Socially well-adjusted
Not hitting the gym. Not skipping dessert.
NS clearly signifies “national socialism” , i.e. what Hitler’s party called their ideology. Don’t evne worry about the lightning shaped rune in the center.
Assumed it stood for Norfolk-Southern. That’s a domestic terrorism firm responsible for the horrifying Palestine bombing.
Norfolk-Southern is a rail operator, am I missing something here?
The east Palestine rail accident.
Neve heard of them until now. But wouldn’t be surprised if they chose their name based on the initials.
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Palestine,_Ohio,_train_derailment) it’s a class one railway. It’s really rather well known. Even for Ausländers.
Thanks for educating me! I seriously had no idea. The accident rings a bell though
Why in this faux-old german script though?
Meanwhile Americans are holding peaceful protests that will change everything… Just like the Pro Palestinian protests changed everything, just like the massive global protests stopped the second Gulf War… It’s time people realise that while protesting peacefully does bring awareness, it changes nothing, especially when the administration is purposely working against the interests of the majority of the population.
Yeah, Like the last generation was successful in advocating climate activism, the German RAF successfully sparked a revolution with their kidnapping and bombings, like the IRA successfully drove out the English from Northern Ireland or like Ghandi failed to free Britain and the East Germans tore down the wall with dynamite.
The 3.5% theory is extremely questionable. The first paragraph of this article is problematic if you know like 3 things about Philippine politics.
I’ve dug deeper into the data and it is very opinionated how it defines “success” and violence/nonviolence.
I’m not a pro-violence guy, i defend liberation struggles, buv work to create educational/political/cultural revolution. Also the 3.5% mobilized population would be rad AF in USAmerica.
I haven’t read the whole book the study is based on, though I was working on it for a while. But IMO it misrepresents historical fact to make a nice-sounding abstraction, and I’m not sure how people will react to its failure, which would be based on a faulty premise.
We need to be more focused on what we will do with the power that will come from mobilizing like 12 million Americans rather than hoping some members of the political class notice and decide to fix things. The actual problem is that power is kept out of the hands of workers. The thought of building that power and giving it away would be a catastrophic blow to our movements.
The political system is empowered to fix problems, but not equipped. As far as I can tell, the only people who have ever created or fixed a goddamn thing in all of history have been workers.
We are in a new world, it’s very hard to compare the grip billionaires have on policy with what was happening in the 70’s onwards.
Related: Why TF is ICE wearing camo if they’re law enforcement?
there’s actually a Wikipedia article about it here
It’s a LARP until it isn’t, and we’re really approaching the point where it isn’t.
Why are they wearing camo in a fucking city?
They couldn’t get solid olive drab with fantastic red arm flair
Why is camo worn in cities in general or why ICE is wearing camo?
Cities aren’t big splotches of gray. Wearing camouflage still provides some benefit when within cities. Also, uniforms are no longer just the pattern, these uniforms would also reduce IR signatures to not be seen as easily by nighht vision equipment.
Why ICE is wearing it? Surplus. The uniforms are easy to get and identify them as some form of federal agent. The alternative is a batch of one colour uniforms which would cost a lot or go plainclothes which I consider to be worse.
Army surplus
Intimidation factor. In addition to militarization of police.
Here’s the thing they are law enforcement in name only…
everything is law enforcement if you can define the law arbitrarily …
I think it’s more likely that dude saw it and went “oh man that’s fuckin siiiiiiccccccckkkkkk” probably has skull stickers on his truck too
I want to note that this is exactly what that actual Nazis did when they stole symbolisms from various cultures including the rune ᛋ and of course the swastica. Both of which represent the sun.
Related from my own defunct blog: Skulls in military symbolism are actually not particularly odd, as indicators of toughness and ferocity (and in Navy a nod to the Jolly Roger, which was partly an identifier of the pirate vessel, but also a call to surrender with the promise of quarter…)
Discussing the M&W Are We The Baddies skit and the preponderance of skulls in Waffen SS kitch.
The swastika is one of the oldest, they have ones etched in stone in bulgaria from like 40k years back or something I forget, maybe it was 10k. Also later ones in india and elsewhere.
There’s also a symbol they called the black Sun, they were into it for sure
Showing their true colors.
The gothic letters are also a dead giveaway.
I’m starting to wonder if these “ICE” people aren’t just kids who outgrew video games like Call of Duty, but didn’t care to join the army.
or couldn’t pass basic
Gravy Seals.
Nah they didn’t outgrow gaming, they just got tired of being torched by 8 year olds on chat, or picking a genre that was not online gaming. Those 8 year olds should go into comedy, provided they remember to punch up.
Definitely, want to carry a gun but others not so much.
Recruited from the Young Republican cesspool.
told ya…
The SS fucks had a flat top and bottom, this one appears pointed. Anyway, close enough and most their ranks are filled with neo-Nazi turds.
ICE are all the raging assholes that constantly demanded violent responses to everything a minority or liberal did, or suggested nuking every foreign country for whatever perceived infraction, while safely behind a screen and keyboard. They refused to sign up for the military that would impose rules, expectations, and restrictions on them. Also, people shoot back at you if you get deployed. Can’t have that. Too scary. So they join ICE and get to beat up on those foreign people and piss off the libs while under State Protection, nobody gets to shoot back. They’re protected from consequences. Cowards and bullies.
There must be towns all over America that are suddenly peaceful and pleasant because their local psychos all went and joined ice.
it could be an homage, but it’s not “nazi style” any more than a toxic chemical label is a Nazi style “Totenkoph”
it needs to have flat tops and bottoms to be “SS style”
Fuck ice, etc.
What a weird hill to stand on. Hey, watcha think about this image I found on Facebook by searching Google for “Never Surrender”.
What do you think these dudes will “never surrender” as they raid minority neighborhoods? Think they mean THE FATHERLAND or something?
I don’t see what NS split by a lightning bolt would refer to other than National Socialist - eg literally claiming affiliation/support to the Nazi party.
It is possible its something else and just incredibly bad fortune and an incredibly ignorant person who wouldn’t get that connection is wearing it - but given the context that it’s ICE… I’m leaning to it being a nazi dog whistle to other like-minded ICE officers.
That’s pretty on the nose. I mean they’re not that bright, but still.
Regardless of how bad it is, the lightning bolt is clearly intended as nazi shit.
They’re not good at making swastikas either, but no matter how deformed they still count as nazi shit.
Ah yes, the old hail hortler.
I wish I could still find these as funny as the used to be.
Oh god, those are so funny in a not funny way.
Lol fucking idiots.
You need a bit of mental gymnastics to go “oh but the style is such and such, therefore it is not nazi sign”.
I know fuck all about nazi styles and to me this looks like a nazi n⚡s, proclaiming that he is a national socialist.
He IS A FUCKING NAZI.
Edit: another point to add. If I was a dumb racist scum turned nazi, since I know fuck all about the ‘original’ nazi styles, most likely I would come up with some shit like this, that delivers the message but is not in the original style.
Remember, ICE agents are not smart or educated people that would know much about original nazi styles.
Did you really tell someone else that they need a bit of mental gymnastics to not make an assumption?
You need a bit of mental gymnastics to go “oh but the style is such and such, therefore it is not nazi sign”.
“it could be an homage, but it’s not “nazi style” any more than a toxic chemical label is a Nazi style “Totenkoph””
“Fuck ice, etc.”
EDIT: Since these chucklefucks won’t touch the word “socialist” with a barge pole, it’s more likely his initials.
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The full name of the Nazi Party was Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (German for ‘National Socialist German Workers’ Party’).
I know what “Nazi” means dude. There are a zillion things to criticise about these people; rest assured when they put nazi shit on things, it’s more obvious. Criticize and obsess over the right shit. That’s the whole point
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What’s the difference between a nazi sign and a sign that is homage to Nazis?
Yeah, that’s a distinction without a difference
What’s the difference between a nazi sign and a sign that is homage to Nazis?
According to you, one of them is okay, but not the other one?
One is that the sign itself actually resembles a nazi sign, and not other objects, and the other is something that is designed to emulate the ideas of nazi signs, without resembling them.
Both are bad. I don’t feel I have to actually point that out, but here I am. My goal with the comment here is to make you guys perceive reality and not jump at everything you see.
Nah. The time for jumping at nazis with frothed up fury was yesterday. We’re all very very late. Get in there.
the probability of randomly selecting someone with the initials “NS” is 1 in 676, or approximately 0.00148 (0.148%).
Tbf it doesn’t have to be his name, it’s more likely some trump supporter ass brand like “Never Surrender” or something. In fact h/o…
Edit: Well what’d’ya know? This is pretty close.
https://neversurrenderwear.com/collections/hats/products/never-surrender-gothic-off-white
I mean, it’s still at least some trumpy ass shit if not full nazi, but did you expect ICE to be Obama stans just because he deported more people than any other president in history (so far)?
I feel like you’re playing exactly into their hands. Make it similar enough that everyone is in no doubt as to what they’re saying, but different enough to give them plausible deniability if it ever got escalated.
Then if they ever get called out on it: “It’s just a joke, calm down. Can’t take a joke?”
That’s literally what a dogwhistle is.
Figuratively literally.
Im not playing defence on either side here, this is pure lamentation :
You mean we need to be careful with lightning bolts too now? I used to draw them all the time as a kid. How many more potentially cool things are they going to co-opt and ruin for me?
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They better not fuck with my S
Don’t talk about it like it’s an idle scribble in a copybook, they went to a lot of trouble to make that to put on their uniform. They know what they’re doing. Do not give them a single inch.
Drawing a lightning bolt ✅👍
Joining a fascist secret police group and putting a lightning bolt with fraktur-esque lettering on your uniform ❌👎
Yeah those are 8s. The S has flat ends
In the 90s the “s” symbol was a gay hook up call.
No it wasn’t lol
Gay in the time period. Pointy S was drawn by everyone on everything.
If it was ever a hookup symbol, which i haven’t heard a wit of before this momemt 20+ years later, most of it’s life was lived after escaping containment.
It is the logo scrawled on the helmet of an active paramilitary that is serving our fascist regime. What the fuck else would it be?
Im not saying it isnt. Im saying god damn it cant the rest of us have anything?
Oh and “NS” like in NSDAP is also a pure coincidence?
Conservatives think Tylenol causes autism… Do you really think they have an eye for brand styles? Come on… Can we stop being intellectually dishonest?
What the fuck do you think N S stands for you absolute Muppet.
Neil Smith? It’s common for things to be marked to differentiate them in groups where the exact same thing is given to a bunch of people.
Really, that’s what you’re gonna go with, his mom tagged his helmet with his initials so he doesn’t lose it at Camp Fascism this winter?
That ICE agents, notorious for hiding their faces and identities, are now leaving clues on their helmets as to who they are for the Scooby gang to solve?
These dudes get boners hurting brown-skinned people in front of their families, they want to look frightening. It’s more than likely some slogan, like NEVER SURRENDER, with a lightning bolt because yeah, he saw it on some Nazi gear and thought it looked tough AF. Oooh, he didn’t flatten the tops and bottoms!! Like he’s effing Michaelangelo or something. Like these dudes are going to draw anything OTHER than lightning bolts, lol.
The intention is clear
