• DarkCloud@lemmy.world
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    23 hours ago

    I don’t think so, Russia/China getting what they want (the degredation of America) is more likely to avoid war. However it is one of the strongest signs yet that America won’t be the main superpower when Trump “leaves office”.

    At best, should a responsible/intelligent leader return one day, there will be a protracted period of cold war like tensions and instability, as there has been before.

    However recent events do seem to indicate that America’s decline is rapidly accelerating.

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      5 hours ago

      I have a hard time believing that. The instability that we’d see by this rejiggering of the world can only lead to a greater likelihood of war. Global instability does not make the world a safer place.

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        War is a constant in the world. World War is a different thing, and the meme says WWIII.

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      If Russia and China get what they want then they’ll just want more. You can’t stop megalomaniacs by appeasing them.

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        Here’s how:

        Even unopposed invading Taiwan would cost China more than anyone else. It would mean attacking one of their largest trading partners and sources of income/currency exchange, and they have huge influence over Taiwan already.

        The idea that such an invasion is China’s goal is mistaken, due to it being a common saber to rattle as a distraction/negotiation tactic. More effort has been put into cutting European internet cables than setting up an invasion of Taiwan. China won’t even look that way for a decade (and the world will likely be very different then).

        Regardless of that (which I know will be shocking to those unfamiliar with the details of what an invasion would entail, there’s reasons they haven’t accomplished it in the past 70 years), such an invasion wouldn’t cause WWIII as the image claims. The idea it would has always been sabre rattling, dating back to Mao and the cold war.

        Just look at the outcomes, either; China has huge influence on Taiwan and operates its tech industry like a second economy (current situation), or China takes over Taiwan creating massive destruction and ill will, and the Yuan now has no surrogate currency exchange. The results would be protracted and detrimental for China.

        …and that still wouldn’t cause WWIII.

        Only a push to non-traditional zones would (eg. An invasion of the Philippines, or Russia invading a country considered more traditionally European).

        P.S Taiwan is not a resource rich area, it’s smaller and closer to mainland China than Tasmania is to Australia (Tasmania is further away from Australia’s mainland, and more resource rich, than Taiwan is to China). The world going to war over it is highly unlikely. What’s more America would have to have its shit together to even start start a response, also highly unlikely under the current Trump administration.

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      17 hours ago

      when Trump “leaves office”.

      An optimist, I see! Unless that was the purpose of the quotes… In which case self whoosh…

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        It was, because someone might cause his death, but even if he stays, he’s getting pretty old. I doubt he’ll still be able to hold power in a decade. Everyone leaves office eventually.

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          You sound like the average American liberal. The fascist movement will not end with Trump. If you don’t understand that already, I dunno what it will take to get your head outta your ass.

          Trump is not making decisions. He is not deciding or directing anything the admin, or wider GOP, is doing. He is a pawn. He is not writing or reading any legislation. Lobbyists are. He doesn’t read anything, and can’t even read beyond a grade school level. He is a dementia patient who is a malignant narcissist. This is a corporate led fascist coup. Trump is just the symbolic figurehead / cult leader, and when he dies he will be replaced by another. It doesn’t matter how effective the next guy is, the dictatorship is almost complete.