If god created the whole universe. Why did he also create the snake in the first place? Was it because he wanted us to have to overcome evil tempations? Or did evil exist before hand, meaning god didn’t create everything in the universe?
Either he’s omniscient and omnipotent and everything has happened exactly as he intended, proving he’s an asshole, or he’s not and lied about it, proving he’s an asshole.
There is at least one other possibility: nothing that happens in this plane of existence is evil because this plane of existence ultimately doesn’t matter. Or maybe just individual suffering doesn’t matter because it’s all temporal while we are (or are a part of) something bigger.
Perhaps we are an eternal being that started all this into motion and watched it or caused it to develop life that we could enter and experience this creation through. That would be a scenario where there can exist a “God” that has omnipresence, omniscience, and maybe even omnipotence (depending on what exactly such a being would be capable of when not playing an avatar that limits all of that) without any more evil than what exists in a video game or movie.
No idea if that’s the case, though I do believe it’s a more plausible scenario than the one described in the Bible. I have yet to think up a reason as to why a being as powerful as the “God” character would be so jealous and wrathful other than humans wanting to use that character to cause fear that could be leveraged for control. The old testament reads just like an abusive relationship only the abuser was all-powerful (but still needs to rely on threats).
Oh, sure, there are all kinds of possibilities, but I’m just going by the god as described in the bible. He’s very clearly a fictional character invented by desert nomads thousands of years ago. If there is a higher power, it wouldn’t be anything like the Christian one.
Because when the story was conceived there were other gods, the snake may represent evil but it more so represents the “evil of enlightenment brought about by others whispering tales” or the pill of other gods.
Judaism was unique in that it was monotheistic as well as intolerant of other gods which was kinda very much against the grain in those times.
Christianity took the torch from them started a new fire.
To reduce your question down, you seem to be asking, “Why did x thing get created if it caused evil?”
I like to think that the answer is in how things are created. To create matter, you have to also create antimatter (if i understand that right). Perhaps, for God to create Good, he had to also create evil. A point that I have seen argued is “did god create everything from nothing” like was taught by the Catholic church, or “did god create from existing things” like organization.
In conclusion, what god did and why has a lot of questions around it, and it is easy to split a definition like “create” and get in a heated argument while talking past each other.
I personally think that “being as gods having a knowledge of good and evil” being the boon that the fruit of the tree gave is key to your question as there is no perception of good without the contrast of evil and vice versa.
**Source for personal belief: ** https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis 3&version=NIV The serpent lies to get past the reticence of eating/disobeying by saying “you shall not surely die” then persuades with an assertion that I take to be fact: “be like god having knowledge of good and evil”.
The story goes that after the snake convinced Eve to eat the fruit, God cursed the snake and said that part of the snakes curse was that “on your belly you will go” which leads one to believe that before it must not have been on it’s belly…
Moral of the story: If an animal crosses God, it’s gonna loose it’s legs. Would have been funny if it was an Elephant instead of a Snake…
Oh, yeah, I never really made the connection that the snake would have had to have some sort of appendages first. Interestingly, the ancestors of snakes did have legs.
Simple really:
when profit?
step four: preach about the sins of being wealthy and hold out your hand with a cheesy grin.
profit after this?
Or is there a step five, just waiting to reveal itself, in all it’s impossible glory?
that’s the neat part. these marks are so stupid, you just keep your hand out there and they buy you new-model private jets.
Religion…
If god created the whole universe. Why did he also create the snake in the first place? Was it because he wanted us to have to overcome evil tempations? Or did evil exist before hand, meaning god didn’t create everything in the universe?
Either he’s omniscient and omnipotent and everything has happened exactly as he intended, proving he’s an asshole, or he’s not and lied about it, proving he’s an asshole.
There is at least one other possibility: nothing that happens in this plane of existence is evil because this plane of existence ultimately doesn’t matter. Or maybe just individual suffering doesn’t matter because it’s all temporal while we are (or are a part of) something bigger.
Perhaps we are an eternal being that started all this into motion and watched it or caused it to develop life that we could enter and experience this creation through. That would be a scenario where there can exist a “God” that has omnipresence, omniscience, and maybe even omnipotence (depending on what exactly such a being would be capable of when not playing an avatar that limits all of that) without any more evil than what exists in a video game or movie.
No idea if that’s the case, though I do believe it’s a more plausible scenario than the one described in the Bible. I have yet to think up a reason as to why a being as powerful as the “God” character would be so jealous and wrathful other than humans wanting to use that character to cause fear that could be leveraged for control. The old testament reads just like an abusive relationship only the abuser was all-powerful (but still needs to rely on threats).
Oh, sure, there are all kinds of possibilities, but I’m just going by the god as described in the bible. He’s very clearly a fictional character invented by desert nomads thousands of years ago. If there is a higher power, it wouldn’t be anything like the Christian one.
Because when the story was conceived there were other gods, the snake may represent evil but it more so represents the “evil of enlightenment brought about by others whispering tales” or the pill of other gods.
Judaism was unique in that it was monotheistic as well as intolerant of other gods which was kinda very much against the grain in those times.
Christianity took the torch from them started a new fire.
To reduce your question down, you seem to be asking, “Why did x thing get created if it caused evil?”
I like to think that the answer is in how things are created. To create matter, you have to also create antimatter (if i understand that right). Perhaps, for God to create Good, he had to also create evil. A point that I have seen argued is “did god create everything from nothing” like was taught by the Catholic church, or “did god create from existing things” like organization.
In conclusion, what god did and why has a lot of questions around it, and it is easy to split a definition like “create” and get in a heated argument while talking past each other.
I personally think that “being as gods having a knowledge of good and evil” being the boon that the fruit of the tree gave is key to your question as there is no perception of good without the contrast of evil and vice versa.
**Source for personal belief: ** https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis 3&version=NIV The serpent lies to get past the reticence of eating/disobeying by saying “you shall not surely die” then persuades with an assertion that I take to be fact: “be like god having knowledge of good and evil”.
I’ve never heard that the snake had legs, what’s that from?
The story goes that after the snake convinced Eve to eat the fruit, God cursed the snake and said that part of the snakes curse was that “on your belly you will go” which leads one to believe that before it must not have been on it’s belly… Moral of the story: If an animal crosses God, it’s gonna loose it’s legs. Would have been funny if it was an Elephant instead of a Snake…
Oh, yeah, I never really made the connection that the snake would have had to have some sort of appendages first. Interestingly, the ancestors of snakes did have legs.
Dont forget that he had to become a “magical zombie asking you to eat his flesh and blood to give you superpowers”.