That’s the part that I’m actually worried about, Christians who are actively seeking to end the fucking world. They want political violence, civil unrest and war in the middle east. It’s so fucked.
There is more evidence to support the physical person of Gilgamesh (the epic of whom was stolen almost word for word to create the Torah) than that of a man called Jesus the Christ.
Ie contemporary references, records, documents. Not written 30 -400 years after death.
There’s really no historical proof, outside biblical accounts.
But that doesn’t really mean there’s a need to dismiss it out of hand. There probably was a Jewish mystic faith healer named Jesus (or whatever,); who was executed by the Roman’s for stirring the shit.
There were in fact, a lot of them. (John the Baptist comes to mind,)
Further, his name (and his father’s,) were. Both extremely common. it’s reasonable to assume at least a few were in fact named Jesus, son of Joseph, and apparently from Nazareth.
Together it’s actually not that unlikely. Though he would have had more in common with the sleaziest televangelist faithhealer you can imagine. Joel Osteen, perhaps.
One historical interpretation of the character known as Jesus is the same as the character known as Robin Hood: a collection of folk tales and exaggerations about a handful of people who lived over the course of a century, later attributed all to one person.
I mean, I just assume he was a grifter whose disciples kept on grifting after he died. It should be noted that the earliest anything was written about him specifically was about fifty years after he supposedly died. Which is why there’s a lot of retconning going on between the various accounts.
Either way, we know there were a lot of mystics in the area and time in question, and leading up to that, it was the jewish leadership’s MO to just knife them and leave their bodies in a ditch somewhere. Which. Romans kinda took issue to that. They don’t like incidental and unofficial killings. (and the leaving the bodies in the ditch… untidy!)
So, the jewish leadership had to get “creative” and convince the roman goverment he was a really bad dude. Which. He then started on about being “king of the jews” and that… well… Rome takes issue with rebellion. Totally reasonable to imagine that all happened. What happened next… not so much. but then, he was a grifter and his disciples learned the grift,
Wouldn’t it be funny if they end up being right. They destroy the world. Jesus returns. All the left wing/libs go to hell and the conservatives/maga go to heaven. Like you get to intentionally fuck everything up and then enjoy eternal bliss while the people trying to improve the world burn in hell.
Reminds me of a time I had dinner at a girl’s house and she insisted on only using Styrofoam plates because the faster we destroy the planet the faster Jesus will come back to save us. I was speechless.
the only people who are ‘okay with it’ are the overly-optimstic pre-tribs. The post-tribs believe they have to go through the suck too, so, there’s that.
Yes. There’s a shit load of arguments about whether the rapture happens before, after, or during the tribulations. My favorite position is any-trib. mostly because… wtf?
I, for one, will be voting Trump to hasten the apocalypse. Anything is better than this shit.
Edit: Belated /s
By “this shit” I mean everything stupid since 2016 that feels like it can’t possibly be real life and by “the apocalypse” I meant the actual literal coming of hell on Earth where Trump reveals himself as Damien (to no one’s surprise) and Satan appears with him condemning all these fake Christians-in-name-only
Fortunately whether you vote for the Toupee or the Toupee’s generic opposition, we’re doomed either way! One option does delay the doom for a maximum of four years though, so take that into account.
contemporary readers would have understood every anti-christ reference to have meant somebody they’d know and hate.
The antichrist of revelation was understood to be Nero, for example, where Daniel would have been talking about babylon. Remember: we’re not the target audience. The target audience was the original audience contemporary to the author. the eschatology of Revelation has already been seen to happen. The world didn’t end. the book is wrong. (Insert “it was all allegory anyway” here.)
If the Bible is to be believed, trump is the anti-Christ.
Which to Christians means the rapture should be coming soon so either way they’re alright with it.
That’s the part that I’m actually worried about, Christians who are actively seeking to end the fucking world. They want political violence, civil unrest and war in the middle east. It’s so fucked.
If they’re wrong, then all that doomsday prepping was just a malignant wet dream 😦
Correct me if I’m wrong, wasn’t Jesus born somewhere in West Asia?
depends on who you ask.
there’s solid reason to doubt the biblical narrative, though. the simple answer is “we don’t know, precisely”.
There is more evidence to support the physical person of Gilgamesh (the epic of whom was stolen almost word for word to create the Torah) than that of a man called Jesus the Christ. Ie contemporary references, records, documents. Not written 30 -400 years after death.
There’s really no historical proof, outside biblical accounts.
But that doesn’t really mean there’s a need to dismiss it out of hand. There probably was a Jewish mystic faith healer named Jesus (or whatever,); who was executed by the Roman’s for stirring the shit.
There were in fact, a lot of them. (John the Baptist comes to mind,)
Further, his name (and his father’s,) were. Both extremely common. it’s reasonable to assume at least a few were in fact named Jesus, son of Joseph, and apparently from Nazareth.
Together it’s actually not that unlikely. Though he would have had more in common with the sleaziest televangelist faithhealer you can imagine. Joel Osteen, perhaps.
One historical interpretation of the character known as Jesus is the same as the character known as Robin Hood: a collection of folk tales and exaggerations about a handful of people who lived over the course of a century, later attributed all to one person.
I mean, I just assume he was a grifter whose disciples kept on grifting after he died. It should be noted that the earliest anything was written about him specifically was about fifty years after he supposedly died. Which is why there’s a lot of retconning going on between the various accounts.
Either way, we know there were a lot of mystics in the area and time in question, and leading up to that, it was the jewish leadership’s MO to just knife them and leave their bodies in a ditch somewhere. Which. Romans kinda took issue to that. They don’t like incidental and unofficial killings. (and the leaving the bodies in the ditch… untidy!)
So, the jewish leadership had to get “creative” and convince the roman goverment he was a really bad dude. Which. He then started on about being “king of the jews” and that… well… Rome takes issue with rebellion. Totally reasonable to imagine that all happened. What happened next… not so much. but then, he was a grifter and his disciples learned the grift,
This hasn’t been updated since before the 2020 election, but it’s a hell of a ride…
https://www.benjaminlcorey.com/could-american-evangelicals-spot-the-antichrist-heres-the-biblical-predictions/
Wouldn’t it be funny if they end up being right. They destroy the world. Jesus returns. All the left wing/libs go to hell and the conservatives/maga go to heaven. Like you get to intentionally fuck everything up and then enjoy eternal bliss while the people trying to improve the world burn in hell.
Only if you have a really twisted definition of funny… Which I do, so carry on.
Reminds me of a time I had dinner at a girl’s house and she insisted on only using Styrofoam plates because the faster we destroy the planet the faster Jesus will come back to save us. I was speechless.
I have to believe she just didn’t want to wash any dishes and, like most Christians, was using religion as an excuse to be a bad person.
Ah, so they’ll be leaving soon! Gotta find those silver linings.
the only people who are ‘okay with it’ are the overly-optimstic pre-tribs. The post-tribs believe they have to go through the suck too, so, there’s that.
Yes. There’s a shit load of arguments about whether the rapture happens before, after, or during the tribulations. My favorite position is any-trib. mostly because… wtf?
I, for one, will be voting Trump to hasten the apocalypse. Anything is better than this shit.
Edit: Belated /s
By “this shit” I mean everything stupid since 2016 that feels like it can’t possibly be real life and by “the apocalypse” I meant the actual literal coming of hell on Earth where Trump reveals himself as Damien (to no one’s surprise) and Satan appears with him condemning all these fake Christians-in-name-only
Smart. Make the world worse and then live in a worse world.
You don’t live in it.
I, for one, hope that you step in something wet every time you’re walking around in socks. Anything is better that your comfort.
Wet socks for one foot legos for the other
Fuck that accelerationist mindset
Step on a cactus with needles you can’t see to remove.
They burn for several days until your body pushes them out.
And may you wash your socks, only to wear them next week, and suffer again.
Fortunately whether you vote for the Toupee or the Toupee’s generic opposition, we’re doomed either way! One option does delay the doom for a maximum of four years though, so take that into account.
contemporary readers would have understood every anti-christ reference to have meant somebody they’d know and hate.
The antichrist of revelation was understood to be Nero, for example, where Daniel would have been talking about babylon. Remember: we’re not the target audience. The target audience was the original audience contemporary to the author. the eschatology of Revelation has already been seen to happen. The world didn’t end. the book is wrong. (Insert “it was all allegory anyway” here.)
Here’s a fun read!
https://www.benjaminlcorey.com/could-american-evangelicals-spot-the-antichrist-heres-the-biblical-predictions/
Bible: For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
MAGA: But what if we tried. Really tried!?
OMG thank you! I have been desperately searching for this for 3 days. I could not find it in google. Holy shit, thank you!
I bookmarked for a special occasion…
Nah, that was Clinton…per my Maga grandmother during the Clinton administration.