Image description: Two images. The top image is of a sign for a “Back to the Bible Holiness Church*” that reads “God created man & woman Satan made gays and transgender gen 5:2”. The bottoms image is of a women sitting on a porch wearing sunglasses, dark clothes, and smoking. The caption reads “Praise Satan.”
I know this is going to be controversial here, but I’m not a fan of religion.
Then to whom do you pray??? HOW DO YOU NOT SIN WITHOUT ANGRY SKY-MAN???
That’s not controversial at this point. What’s controversial is I’m not exactly Christian but Trump is/was a perfect fit for the description of the Anti-Christ, and I’ve personally had a semi-lucid dream that apologized for being unable to stop painful life events that would only happen five years later. Anecdotal, sure. You don’t have to believe me. Just saying I have to believe my own experiences.
Guys, I mean this in the most scientifically-plausible way I can imagine… I think maybe our own unconscious minds might be railroading our conscious souls according to one great big mythological Batman Gambit. There are way too many coincidences or predictions that came true in too small a timespan for a conscious human to produce, and too much of the content of dreams is symbolic and detailed for it to be just neuron misfiring noises.
I mean, obviously real life isn’t a story, but the “Dream Land” trope is as old as Aboriginal settlement of Australia and as recent as that new Lego theme/cartoon (Dreamzzz), as lighthearted as Kirby and as dark as the Backrooms (wait, is their lore really that different?) or Changeling: The Lost, as famous as Nightmare on Elm Street or Inception and as obscure as the Tabletop RPG Dreamscape from a 24-hour creator jam back in 2004. Songs about dreams range for the vaporwave-inspired “Dreamland” by Glass Animals, to “Into the Ocean” by Blue October. In short, I can absolutely see there being some truth to the stories behind Complete Me, and the hub page for the Oneiroi Collective had a point; we hadn’t even realised it but dreams got into everything, not that shitty Minecraft streamers and a song about a breakup by Juice WRLD really count.
As for how dreams predict the future… You know how supercomputers predict the weather? Do you think a computer is aware it’s simulating a planet’s weather? If you uploaded a human mind to a hypothetical brain emulation program on some sort of hyper computer, and also ran a weather simulation program on the same super-advanced computer, would the uploaded mind necessarily be aware of the weather simulation? Yeah, something like that, except replace the weather simulation with a mental Siri/ChatGPT.
I was with you until the second paragraph and onwards
Sorry, I might have “come on too strong”; I came to the conclusions in the third and onward paragraph but I’m not trying to get anyone else to. It does sound a bit crazy when you haven’t noticed that dreams seem to play a far more important role even in pop-culture and mythology than we give them credit for. I just think it’s likely that as images, ideas and feelings created by our unconscious rather than conscious mind and experienced only by our subconscious, dreams are being drastically underestimated.
Religions are fine, it’s large organized religions with a focus on showing off that tend to be used to commit atrocities.
Afaik not much violence has been done in the name of buddha or ganesha, and the satanic temple is an officially recognized religion in the USA at least and they’re just objectively good.
Check out the Sri Lankan Civil War before you’re so quick to dismiss the idea of Hindu & Buddhist religious violence. The founder of LTTE (“Tamil Tigers”) was very explicit that he was inspired by the Bhagavad-Gita to run an organization heavily featuring suicide bombings and violent extortion of Tamil communities in other countries.
Look at Ayodhya, Amritsar, sectarian violence in Gujurat, or all of the Hindutva rhetoric from Modi. Not to mention the entire history of violent enforcement of caste privilege.
Yeah, tbh I wish I knew more about the Indian caste system so I can properly understand how horrible it is. It’s like someone who has never lived in a capitalist society, doesn’t understand what steam trains are or what mustard gas is, and has only a basic understanding of the Abrahamic religions mostly via American Christianity, trying to explain the Holocaust to themselves beyond “Nazis kill children” and “Hitler was an evil overlord who hated Jews”; It gets the general picture (slave labor, cruel oppression, etc.) but is far too vague to trigger the sadness, anger and desire to never forget or repeat it that should accompany it.
and also never forget that the Catholic church, some of whom were actual nazis, helped war criminals escape to south america. The US also had a hand in that, to counter communist movements.
But yeah, back to how much religions suck. All of them with no exception.
Any good quality they impart is better derived from secular humanism, imo
People overlook it because they’re largely ignorant of Eastern religions, and they’ve somehow embedded themselves in our culture as this kinda harmless alternative/mystical belief system that can solve all problems.
But when I saw Buddhist monks leading rampaging mobs against the Rohingya in Myanmar… let’s say the scales fell from my eyes.
These dumbfuck Christians actually belive Satan has the power to create things like a god? I thought satan was simply an angel, how did he develop the power to create life? Doesn’t that make Satan more powerful than God?
evangelicals and constantly being flagrantly heretical, name a better duo.
Don’t you know? Satan is all-powerful and can tempt even the most faithful to stray into heathenistic homosexuality, yet weak enough to be defeated by their own personal belief in God.
These dumbfucks don’t even know that their god literally says he created evil in the bible, what they believe about their religion is basically Schrödinger’s gospel until they need to open the box and use it to justify their own opinions
Question, tha Bible states Jesus walked the earth during the Romans occupation of Israel.During this time period there was homosexuals, transgender, and infanticide, yet not once is there a teaching against it. Does this mean God is fine with them, or Jesus did not exist and the Bible is wrong, or are modern Christians wrong?
On that note, if God created us in his image, he must be the original fruitloop, the most queer being in all of existence.
If one actually reads abrahamic religious texts it’s actually filled with a surprising amount of like, outright socialism and tolerance in between the stoning and sanctioned rape.
…almost…almost like it was written by like hundreds of people over thousands of years…
Though jesus in specific is generally actually pretty cool, absolutely would be classed as a socialist nowadays and that whole “don’t be a massive fucking asshole” thing is pretty sensible.
Here’s the passage:
He created them male and female and blessed them. And he named them “Mankind” when they were created.
I like the insinuation that they don’t believe gays or transgender are people. That’s not alarming at all.
Yeah, they are literally just making shit up.
If everything not in the Bible was untrue, the universe could not exist even if/when God DID want to create one; Contemporary people from Yeshua of Nazareth’s time considered E’l to be NIGH-Omnipotent, capable of doing anything that is logically possible I.e. non-paradoxical. God can’t rewind time, and god can’t lift a rock that he made so heavy he couldn’t lift it but CAN make that rock because he can then make the rock lighter so he can lift it because multiple-step projects are still possible if complex. Therefore, even god can’t write a guide to reality so perfect that it makes reality trivial. That, or he could, but our free will was made so free that even God cannot chain us (though we could chain ourselves and not be able to unchain ourselves) and therefore a book of rules is - while potentially true - not a legally-binding contract, and even if it was a law of reality, laws list what you can’t do, not what you have to do and therefore the bible cannot imply “guilt” on the part of those who want to be or simply are different.
Hermaphroditic babies are not sinners. Homosexuals were born with a genital structure of one gender or the other, how does that make them evil? Oh right, that’s just old-fashioned sexism. You do know Jesus/Yeshua criticized his own religion’s followers for being sexist bastards who thought “it is a woman’s place to be on her knees (and, the men implied, with her open mouth filled, because men like that are creeps)” and that gay men filling that role i n a sexual encounter somehow emasculated all men by proxy, right?
Yeah, there was an Islamic renaissance at some point in the 1200s CE, but as it is now, it was par-for-the-course in Jesus’ time to be a misogynistic asshole, yet it has never been a Christian thing to do to look down on femininity or any man that does not meet society’s standard of masculinity. Good Christians don’t hate lesbians or gay men or people who were born one gender but act like another or do not feel their gender defines them in any way, and if you are a “christian” who believes that hating someone for being a curveball to your worldview is somehow mandated by the Bible, you’re either going to hell or you will not be missed when you cease existing.
Besides, the Old Testament is literally the entire Torah and Talmud (from Judaism, if you’re too Murican Conservative to know that) translated, and Judaism/Christianity/Islam are practically the prototype writ-large of The Matrix, so clearly the Bible spent a LONG time as a work of progress if it was really written by god.
Googling the answer to if god created satan, most christian sites say something like “The Bible shows that God did not create the Devil. Instead, He created the person who became the Devil.”
Which to be honest is kind of a flimsy copout.
Either god is all knowing so he knew that this person is going to become satan, or god isn’t all knowing and failed to convince that person of his “goodness”. Like, the first person he actually gives the freedom of choice deciding against him doesn’t exactly look good.
Satan made me so I’m calling her Mommy Satan from now on :3
I didn’t know I was going to be in a lesbian relationship with Satan, but I have nothing against it
For anyone wondering, Genesis 5:2 is:
Male and female he created them, and he blessed them and called them humans when they were created.
Which, I don’t see any support there for the latter part of the sign.
Getting into the weeds a bit, the first mention of God creating humans “male and female” is back in Gen 1:27, but Eve doesn’t show up until Gen 2:21-22. So there was a period of time (long enough, at least, for Adam to name all the plants and animals) when Adam alone was male and female.
Well you see, god made male and female. Trans women are men and they’re defiling themselves to appear like something they’re not. This is against God’s word so therefore Satan made trans and the gays. Ignore the context of previous verses that contradict their current stance. Ignore the history and clear poetic language indicative of myth making (aka not meant to be taken literally). Ignore everything that doesn’t confirm to your narrow world view.
What’s baffling me to me is that if we’re to follow the train of thought in the OP, then they recognize (to some extent) that trans people aren’t their assigned gender at birth. They’re apparently something else. These goobers lose the plot immediately after that, claiming theyre products of satan but it’s still infuriating that they’ll only “play the game” insofar as it allows them to dehumanize others
TL;DR white eurocentric christianity is a disease
white eurocentricchristianity is a diseaseChristianity and its derivatives are not exclusive to Europe. Latin America also has a lot of Catholicism, which is just as bad IMO. Honestly, this could extend to Abrahamic religions in general, although some derivatives are more accepting than others.
I could’ve worded it better but meh. I was just dunking on white christians. To be a bit more accurate and measured; Catholicism is still a European sect of Christianity that entrenches western hegemony and white supremacy. There are forms of Christianity that are very much allies to liberatory movements. The zapatistas come to mind. They practice liberation theology which stands in direct opposition to the Catholic Church in the Americas. I can’t speak much for Islam as I’m not very familiar with their interfaith politics, but Jews have a long history of working in/with progressive movements. Black activism in the United States in many of its forms have been religious as well. I hesitate to label any religion as outright bad or destructive. Faith has its place in society, even though it’s not my cup of tea, and it can be used for good just as much as it can bad.
Religions are shaped by the times just as much as they shape them and radical shifts in the broader world can lead to radical shifts in religion or vice versa. If you’re interested (and have the time) Anark’s video on complex systems sheds some light on this. It’s through the lense of constructing a self-perpetuating revolution but the broad strokes apply to many things. Religion shouldn’t be dismissed outright or suppressed as it will only breed reaction. Instead it should be embraced and molded into a driver of good. By those within the religion that is, I doubt believers would be particularly receptive of an outsider trying to directly muck about with their doctrine
I’ll take a look at those resources, thanks for sharing! I agree that religion itself should not be dismissed, which is why I tried to clarify that many branches of Christianity are more accepting than others (and I’m less familiar with other non-Abrahamic religions, and other Abrahamic religions of course have their own histories and branches interpreting them their own ways). Religion does have its place in society, however this particular religion has historically been used excessively for control and to discriminate, which is what makes it particularly egregious. I mostly wanted to point out that the anti-LGBT+ sentiment was not exclusive to white or European followers of the religion (though the religion did originate in Europe as you mentioned), although in the US you’ll see a lot of hardcore white Christians being anti-LGBT+.
I’m probably the most vanilla cis straight dude out there, but: hail satan, but most importantly hail yourself.
We could be twins. Satan is the coolest, except for the folks in the post reading this. They’re cooler than Freddie Jackson sipping a milkshake in a snowstorm.
I looked up the passage and none of the passage variations/translations on biblehub had anything to say at all about the devil, transgender, or gays.
For a religion where they are supposed to be preaching peace and loving thy neighbor, they definitely have a major problem with that one in a lot of areas, at least here in America. Don’t know if it’s bad in other developed nations.
Me, a gay satanist: hell yeah 🌈
If Satan was real(absolutely massive if) and Satan made gay and trans people(another massive if) it wouldn’t be because being gay or trans is inherently sinful, but he would have done it to reveal the bigotry and hate inherent in the white supremacist Christian majority tempting the most ardent supporters of Christ into sinning by holding hate and bigotry in their hearts.
But ngl i don’t believe in any of that shit
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The only specific evil things he does according to the bible is everything that happens to Job, which he does with god’s blessing. Even if he were real the bible doesn’t do a good job painting him as evil to the point of it sounding an awful lot like nothing more than slandering a political enemy.
What’s wrong with devils? The worst thing Satan did (in God’s eye anyway) was ask for more power because he was jealous of humans. That’s what got his ass sent to Hell.
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