Curious what resources you’ve consulted that state Unity can or will charge for every pirated copy. How is the feasible and by what legal mechanisms would they enforce this?
I’m truly a neutral party, I don’t play many games but I understand what’s going on here a little bit.
You clearly have a jaded viewpoint to it for better or worse and I’m not sure that’s warranted and is a bit disingenuous.
There wasn’t an explicit comment stating they would charge for pirated copies, but it was inferred from their initial statements that their tracking didn’t give them any information other than that the game was installed. When people brought up pirated copies and people purposely uninstalling and reinstalling the games to force the developer to pay outrageous amounts, Unity backtracked and said that their tracking DID give them enough info to identify and exclude pirated copies and reinstallations, but this was only after the backlash began.
There is a contingent of people who believe that Unity intentionally marked out this stark change with extremely unclear requirements so they could “listen to the community” and partially revert the changes to their original goal plan (possibly removing the lowest license tier and requiring Unity ads for this license, plus Unity taking lots of tracking info about your computer that they can sell on to 3rd parties) as a way to make everyone accept the changes more easily, in a similar method as what WOTC tried to do with their OGL changes last year.
Credible sources: multiple online reports from various media outlets, and reading the official announcements when combined with 30+ years of experience as a professional software engineer, software architect and software designer.
As regards the technical side: Well the only way you would be able to track installation would be to make the run-time ‘phone home’ with each installation so that Unity could increment the count on the developer’s account. And the only way to know which developer/game to update is to have a unique identifier baked into each run-time that is sent with the call home.
A pirated copy is still an installation of the run-time unless the person who cracks the game goes to the trouble of intercepting the call home too.
And given the above described mechanism, it should be relatively easy to spoof installs that aren’t really happening if you have impulse control problems, some technical ability, and a beef with the developer.
As regards legal mechanism, that’s simple, Unity update their contract, invalidate their old contracts (they deleted their public copies of old contracts that allowed users to stay on old copies of the runtime). The new contract just needs to include terms that include their fee being due for each call home they receive.
And once you have a contract you can persue a breach through the courts using contract law. That’s why contracts exist.
As regards neutrality, I haven’t got a horse in this race, I’m not a games developer, but it’s pretty easy to see an abuse and call it out when you see it. The Unity complany had a profitable business model that was working for a decade or more, then they decided they wanted some more of their client’s income without actually offering any more for the additional charges.
The stance taken by the execs at Unity is just an ongoing part of the corporate greed trend we are seeing causing the cost of living crisis worldwide.
I don’t think I’m jaded or biased, this is just my honest summary and appraisal of the situation for the consumption of someone who wanted to know the salient facts and implications.
Almost all pirated games are is removing the phone home ability? Like 90% of why people pirate is offline only mode (name 1 pirated game that can connect to official servers)
Seems like otherwise it’d be pretty simple to not boot without confirmation.
On the other hand it’d probably be a hell of a lot harder to make a pirated copy that looks legit - has the proper phone home, store authentication and account tied to it.
Cause like otherwise it’d be dirt simple to track who’s cracking your games, just check who’s phoning home way too much and send the authorities at that account.
But also not to be on unities side but they did say they’ll not include pirated copies (if they somehow ever could)
No, The whole point of pirating the games is to make sure that you can install it and play it. They’re going to remove any calls home that will stop them from running or any checks that make sure it’s genuine. But they’re not going to bother themselves with the unity call home unless it keeps the application from running.
Yes, except now you have to do it twice. Once for the game, and once for the Unity run-time. And if you don’t take the time to do the second one, the game still works.
They’re gonna try n add tracking per install, but youre right pirates specifically crack this tracking (else youre not really cracking a game, just sharing a file)
original commenter probably just doesn’t like piracy
Curious what resources you’ve consulted that state Unity can or will charge for every pirated copy. How is the feasible and by what legal mechanisms would they enforce this?
I’m truly a neutral party, I don’t play many games but I understand what’s going on here a little bit.
You clearly have a jaded viewpoint to it for better or worse and I’m not sure that’s warranted and is a bit disingenuous.
There wasn’t an explicit comment stating they would charge for pirated copies, but it was inferred from their initial statements that their tracking didn’t give them any information other than that the game was installed. When people brought up pirated copies and people purposely uninstalling and reinstalling the games to force the developer to pay outrageous amounts, Unity backtracked and said that their tracking DID give them enough info to identify and exclude pirated copies and reinstallations, but this was only after the backlash began.
There is a contingent of people who believe that Unity intentionally marked out this stark change with extremely unclear requirements so they could “listen to the community” and partially revert the changes to their original goal plan (possibly removing the lowest license tier and requiring Unity ads for this license, plus Unity taking lots of tracking info about your computer that they can sell on to 3rd parties) as a way to make everyone accept the changes more easily, in a similar method as what WOTC tried to do with their OGL changes last year.
Credible sources: multiple online reports from various media outlets, and reading the official announcements when combined with 30+ years of experience as a professional software engineer, software architect and software designer.
As regards the technical side: Well the only way you would be able to track installation would be to make the run-time ‘phone home’ with each installation so that Unity could increment the count on the developer’s account. And the only way to know which developer/game to update is to have a unique identifier baked into each run-time that is sent with the call home.
A pirated copy is still an installation of the run-time unless the person who cracks the game goes to the trouble of intercepting the call home too.
And given the above described mechanism, it should be relatively easy to spoof installs that aren’t really happening if you have impulse control problems, some technical ability, and a beef with the developer.
As regards legal mechanism, that’s simple, Unity update their contract, invalidate their old contracts (they deleted their public copies of old contracts that allowed users to stay on old copies of the runtime). The new contract just needs to include terms that include their fee being due for each call home they receive.
And once you have a contract you can persue a breach through the courts using contract law. That’s why contracts exist.
As regards neutrality, I haven’t got a horse in this race, I’m not a games developer, but it’s pretty easy to see an abuse and call it out when you see it. The Unity complany had a profitable business model that was working for a decade or more, then they decided they wanted some more of their client’s income without actually offering any more for the additional charges.
The stance taken by the execs at Unity is just an ongoing part of the corporate greed trend we are seeing causing the cost of living crisis worldwide.
I don’t think I’m jaded or biased, this is just my honest summary and appraisal of the situation for the consumption of someone who wanted to know the salient facts and implications.
Almost all pirated games are is removing the phone home ability? Like 90% of why people pirate is offline only mode (name 1 pirated game that can connect to official servers)
Seems like otherwise it’d be pretty simple to not boot without confirmation.
On the other hand it’d probably be a hell of a lot harder to make a pirated copy that looks legit - has the proper phone home, store authentication and account tied to it.
Cause like otherwise it’d be dirt simple to track who’s cracking your games, just check who’s phoning home way too much and send the authorities at that account.
But also not to be on unities side but they did say they’ll not include pirated copies (if they somehow ever could)
No, The whole point of pirating the games is to make sure that you can install it and play it. They’re going to remove any calls home that will stop them from running or any checks that make sure it’s genuine. But they’re not going to bother themselves with the unity call home unless it keeps the application from running.
Yes, except now you have to do it twice. Once for the game, and once for the Unity run-time. And if you don’t take the time to do the second one, the game still works.
They’re gonna try n add tracking per install, but youre right pirates specifically crack this tracking (else youre not really cracking a game, just sharing a file)
original commenter probably just doesn’t like piracy
If the unity call home doesn’t stop the application from installing or running they’re not going to bother with removing it.