how can we establish democratic peace if we don’t bomb those russians and take over their land?
Barely anybody says that besides some uninteresting figures mentioning a ridiculous idea of balkanizing Russia… (Balkanize my balls).
But then, why did they vote for Putsin?
Putin isn’t a legitimate leader who got honest public’s vote. In reality most of Russians who are dependent to governmental institutions are forced to participate in the electoral apparatus for statistics’ sake only. People just have to show up. There’s various cases of fully discovered falsifications, independent spectatorship isn’t allowed. The whole process is just shady, especially after “online vote” has been established, which has pretty non-trasperent protocol.
They aren’t so different from the government, and if they hate it so much, just get out of there. not that difficult.
Unironically this, since the summer of 2021 Zelensky has been pushing for proper face-to-face negotiations with Vladimir Putin personally and was… Geopolitically ghosted. Zelensky was ready to make Pashinyan at the start of the war and basically… Give up Crimean region. Seeing all of the tactical and local failures of Russian military made it obvious that they weren’t planning for long-term, full-scale attrition war that required full involvement and genuine contributions from society.
Why are people talking about international peace relations as if it can be achieved?
Modern humanity established certain systems throughout these two centuries, despite all of the internal contradictions of modern governments’ development and longing for full-scale mobilized and militarized societies, we created mostly consistent precedents of geopolitical relations… Yes, they’re hypocritical, yes, they’re not fair and they left an irrational policeman with a huge propane baton in charge of our globalized economy, but at least they prevent consistent genocides, long-term attrition wars amongst European nations.
Didn’t international peace cause Stalin and Nazi Germany to kill 10 trillion people?
Entirely backwards, Stalin and Nazi Germany killing 10 trillion people caused international peace.
I’m sure this one will bury themselves sooner or later, so it’s not like I’m gonna cry for a ban, but you gotta be on high alert with this influx of new accounts. You might think I’m crazy now, but we might get actual Ukrainian psyop trolls here now.
I’m a bit confused. @lav was making a joke (fairly obvious based on the “10 trillion” part at the very least) and @Otoyana thought they were being serious?
More like some grains of truth in that joke prompted a sheet of western plans for Russia, Zelensky and Amerikkkan hegemony apologia. There is a whole thread of…whatever that is now too, see for yourself. Might be a lib, might be a Russian trot, they’re not very different these days.
Ah, so you’re a zhozhik… Honestly, I’d pick Syomin over Rudoy any day. But arguing with a zhozhik is just a pity method of attracting trivial self-insults.
And thanks for proving your brain works on markers for the people in the back.
For local comrades: “Zhocheki” is a group of ML content creators from post-Soviet countries that didn’t jump on Syomin’s 180 wagon when he started retranslating western bullshit all of a sudden come SMO and have been working closely with humanitarian aid organizations in Donbass since.
Honestly… I’d like to tinker anybody’s emotional triggers a bit, but that’s not going to be a discussion, I already did with this unnecessary inclusion of Zhozhik buzzword, which was just falling into your trap as it is totally unrelated to the points discussed.
You still haven’t explained what you meant by “markers”, is that a Lemmy thing?
“falling into my trap” doesn’t absolve you of anything. You did it, because you’re what I thought you are.
You still haven’t explained what you meant by “markers”, is that a Lemmy thing?
No, markers are your brain thing and you want to have it sorted out. Putin is ok to criticize say anything and everything about, because he isn’t a leftist leader, any Russian lefty who doesn’t like trots like Syomin and Rudoy is a zhozhek…- them’s the markers. And you think in those.
Wait, isn’t that funny how I allowed the discussion to flow by your standards, which was basically what I meant by “falling into your trap” - basically, assigning buzzwords and reacting to such buzzwords like “shitlib”, “liberal propaganda”, “zhozhik”. propaganda". If you expected anything else, then I’m sorry for treating you seriously and expecting something above pointing markers…
You could entertain the discussion whenever you wanted, I wasn’t holding you back from doing that instead of pointing markers and tinkering ones emotional triggers like some trivial Russian left YouTubers…
Yes, exactly, if something isn’t left-wing it deserves to be criticized, is it not, just like Ukraine, modern national relation, but as long as we live in the real world, we still have to understand internal contradictions of said systems and reasons why they exist, their benefits, and what preceded them in order to move forward and build a fair society, supporting a shady autocrat doesn’t do that.
I’m not down voting, but jerboa is kinda buggy for me, that’s why I have to check votes by upvoting users and sometimes I can’t edit or delete my messages, or they get deleted out of nowhere (I’m sure it’s a client side issue, they aren’t getting sent at all).
Barely anybody says that besides some uninteresting figures mentioning a ridiculous idea of balkanizing Russia… (Balkanize my balls).
Putin isn’t a legitimate leader who got honest public’s vote. In reality most of Russians who are dependent to governmental institutions are forced to participate in the electoral apparatus for statistics’ sake only. People just have to show up. There’s various cases of fully discovered falsifications, independent spectatorship isn’t allowed. The whole process is just shady, especially after “online vote” has been established, which has pretty non-trasperent protocol.
Unironically this, since the summer of 2021 Zelensky has been pushing for proper face-to-face negotiations with Vladimir Putin personally and was… Geopolitically ghosted. Zelensky was ready to make Pashinyan at the start of the war and basically… Give up Crimean region. Seeing all of the tactical and local failures of Russian military made it obvious that they weren’t planning for long-term, full-scale attrition war that required full involvement and genuine contributions from society.
Modern humanity established certain systems throughout these two centuries, despite all of the internal contradictions of modern governments’ development and longing for full-scale mobilized and militarized societies, we created mostly consistent precedents of geopolitical relations… Yes, they’re hypocritical, yes, they’re not fair and they left an irrational policeman with a huge propane baton in charge of our globalized economy, but at least they prevent consistent genocides, long-term attrition wars amongst European nations.
Entirely backwards, Stalin and Nazi Germany killing 10 trillion people caused international peace.
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I’m sure this one will bury themselves sooner or later, so it’s not like I’m gonna cry for a ban, but you gotta be on high alert with this influx of new accounts. You might think I’m crazy now, but we might get actual Ukrainian psyop trolls here now.
I’m a bit confused. @lav was making a joke (fairly obvious based on the “10 trillion” part at the very least) and @Otoyana thought they were being serious?
More like some grains of truth in that joke prompted a sheet of western plans for Russia, Zelensky and Amerikkkan hegemony apologia. There is a whole thread of…whatever that is now too, see for yourself. Might be a lib, might be a Russian trot, they’re not very different these days.
the latest comment cleared things up, another mod handled it
Did you submit the account ban application or waiting for more reports? If so tell me how to?
https://www.livemint.com/news/world/ukraine-zelensky-signs-decree-rule-out-negotiation-russia-vladimir-putin-impossible-11664876727245.html
F***ing Jocker…
I’m talking about summer of 2021, when possibilities of Russia waging war against Ukraine were seen as impossible by arrogant western “Experts”.
So…how did a shitlib get their account approved? xD
Putin isn’t a left-wing leader to call me a shitlib for criticizing him.
You aren’t criticizing, you’re regurgitating shitlib propaganda.
And thanks for proving your brain works on markers for the people in the back.
P.S. Сёмин и Рудой из запоя уже вышли?)
Ah, so you’re a zhozhik… Honestly, I’d pick Syomin over Rudoy any day. But arguing with a zhozhik is just a pity method of attracting trivial self-insults.
Honestly don’t know what you meant by that…
Works like a charm…
Also, you missed.
For local comrades: “Zhocheki” is a group of ML content creators from post-Soviet countries that didn’t jump on Syomin’s 180 wagon when he started retranslating western bullshit all of a sudden come SMO and have been working closely with humanitarian aid organizations in Donbass since.
You know, real traitors of Marxism. /s
Honestly… I’d like to tinker anybody’s emotional triggers a bit, but that’s not going to be a discussion, I already did with this unnecessary inclusion of Zhozhik buzzword, which was just falling into your trap as it is totally unrelated to the points discussed. You still haven’t explained what you meant by “markers”, is that a Lemmy thing?
“falling into my trap” doesn’t absolve you of anything. You did it, because you’re what I thought you are.
No, markers are your brain thing and you want to have it sorted out. Putin is ok to
criticizesay anything and everything about, because he isn’t a leftist leader, any Russian lefty who doesn’t like trots like Syomin and Rudoy is a zhozhek…- them’s the markers. And you think in those.Wait, isn’t that funny how I allowed the discussion to flow by your standards, which was basically what I meant by “falling into your trap” - basically, assigning buzzwords and reacting to such buzzwords like “shitlib”, “liberal propaganda”, “zhozhik”. propaganda". If you expected anything else, then I’m sorry for treating you seriously and expecting something above pointing markers… You could entertain the discussion whenever you wanted, I wasn’t holding you back from doing that instead of pointing markers and tinkering ones emotional triggers like some trivial Russian left YouTubers…
Yes, exactly, if something isn’t left-wing it deserves to be criticized, is it not, just like Ukraine, modern national relation, but as long as we live in the real world, we still have to understand internal contradictions of said systems and reasons why they exist, their benefits, and what preceded them in order to move forward and build a fair society, supporting a shady autocrat doesn’t do that.
Comrades, please be nice to each other, and argue in good faith. Also please do not randomly downvote.
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I’m not down voting, but jerboa is kinda buggy for me, that’s why I have to check votes by upvoting users and sometimes I can’t edit or delete my messages, or they get deleted out of nowhere (I’m sure it’s a client side issue, they aren’t getting sent at all).
Criticize all but not in a way to imply this war is all Putin’s fault and zelensky is all but not a jocker, a CIA transplant.
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Yeah, got it, completely. That will do.
Just tell me how to Report a user on lemmy, btw.