• Llewellyn@lemm.ee
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      1 year ago

      “Truth”? It’s society, not physics. There’s no universal casted in iron “truth”. There’re points of view.

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        Yep, you’re right. There’s clearly no difference in terms of proximity to reality between climate change deniers and the consensus of scientists. .

        There’s clearly no difference between those responsible for major political violence and those with considerably less. Clearly impossible to use math to tally the difference. Amirite?

        Clearly, believing in democracy versus overthrowing fair elections are also equidistant to truth and sanity.

        Clearly no difference either between one wing espousing bleach and ivermectin and anti-vaxx hysteria while the other side has the vast majority of consensus of physicians and scientists on their side. Golly. This is tough!

        /s

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          Why do you only pick the extreme right and not the extreme left in your examples? Radical communists are also all about overthrowing the government. I’m not saying that all communists are radical, but they exist. Extremists from all sides are the minority I’d say.

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            Because 76 million people aren’t voting for an ultra-leftist. But they’re voting for an ultra right-wing nutjob.

            Because you can’t even fill your fingers of communist driven politically motivated homicides on one hand but I’d lose boredom counting the number of right-wing extremist acts of politically-motivated homicides.

            Because, clearly, the right-wing wing extreme is the fat greater threat. That you even propose this speaks to the very sensationalist arguments of McCarthyism itself, peddled by none other but right-wing extremists.

            It is thus a blatant false equivalence fallacy, and right-wing extremism is causing overwhelmingly more damage to this country than any other group.

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              Ah, so you’re talking about the 2016 elections. In that case fair enough, I assumed you were talking about the political spectrum in general. I agree with you that right-wing extremism is very threatening. I also got sucked into the echo chamber when I wanted to learn more about Covid when it started, and it influenced me so much that I remained in there until about half a year ago. That stuff didn’t do my brain well in retrospect.

              Now that I’m out of it I learned that the whole reason the echo chamber exists is because of an extreme fear of change, to the point where it becomes dangerous. Fear of “wokeness”, fear of an elite group trying to take over the world and trying to brainwash everyone with their perverted transhumanist ideologies, fear of other people that have been manipulated by this elitist group. These examples are not what I believe now, but I did very recently.

              I’ve also learnt that completely dismissing them from the outside only leads them deeper into the echo chamber where they find comfort, as I’ve experienced first hand. It’s a tricky issue, but I think a big part of solving it is by not dismissing them straight up, as they have the idea that everyone is against them already.

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              On the contrary, these dismantle your argument completely.

              … if that will keep you from aggression - sure.

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        there’s no universal truth just points of view

        I believe that water boils at 12°C at normal room pressure