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      Plenty of centrist liberals support Israel’s “war against Hamas”. US president Joe Biden and the Democratic party for example.

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        that has nothing to do with the ideology of centrism itself and would be ridiculous to even pretend so.

        it has to do with the complexity of the situation, and more specifically for everyone supporting Israel, having to do with maintaining country relations moreso than the edit: humanist ideals unfortunately.

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    Interesting how everyone seems to think this tweet from 2018 seems to refer to th situation in Gaza in 2023.

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        Sure but by that logic anything anybody ever said during my entire lifetime could be a reference to Gaza.

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    Just a little casual genocide, nothing major, some dead LGBT folk here, some dead minorities there… normal stuff. Just wanna grill.

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      I love the smell of minority&meek soap in the morning. Then I remember I’m a right wing catholic white man with privileges and I use them by shooting some jets of fire with my pocket flamethrower from the fully open window of my monster truck while on the way to the usual grill with the boys, as my god intended ;)

      Edit: Obviously satire

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    Are you 'murican? I don’t think the rest of the world agrees on any of the US’s “definitions” of left, right and liberal. From a European POV, the US democrats are really, really far to the right. Sanders might be leaning toward the center. The republicans are a strange mixture of libertarian regarding economical matters and very very right-wing/intrusive on personal matters. Whenever someone even mentions/comments other people’s sexual orientation and identity I automitcally assume they are creep that wants to sniff other people’s bedsheets. How can you be partly libertarian and also creepily nazi-intrusive? US-republican invention I can’t wrap my head around, that is.

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      US politics are reserved for the US.

      Yes, they are indeed interesting for small eurobrains, but a typical outsider will never comprehend our politics. Better stick to your country.

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    Enlightening comment section. Very revealing discussions on our current political discourse.

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      Is that such a wrong position to have when the questions are as starkly “respect human rights or don’t respect human rights” as most issues are in today’s conversation? This isn’t a discussion on the minutia of how much money should be allocated to transit subsidy, this is “should the queers be allowed to exist?” and “should women have rights?” and “do parents have the right to ruin their child’s life just because they’re the parent?”

      If you really think there’s a middle ground there, either you’re a fucking idiot, or you actually don’t and you’re just trying to pretend you do because you know your actual answer is morally indefensible unless you ascribe to a world view that has no business being respected in a democratic rights respecting society.

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      I’m an extremist when the issue is “should we do a genocide”.

      On the “no” side, to be clear. I will indeed not accept any answer other than that one.

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    Right: These people who don’t share my opinion need to be genocided!

    Left: No! THESE people who don’t share MY opinion need to be genocided!

    Centre: Could… Could we, like… Not have a crisis on our hands FOR FIVE FUCKING SECONDS!?

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      I really want to know where you get the idea that the left wants genocide, especially over a difference of opinion. It’s so antithetical to my values that it’s downright funny.

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    That’s not what centrism means. It’s not an immediate compromise between the two. It’s acknowledging that not every single stance held by a political party is the correct one.

    I can support background checks and other limitations on firearm purchases, and also not want open borders. We should be doing something about the excess of gun violence, and we should be doing something about the thousands of immigrants jumping our border.

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    Muricans be like: let’s make centrists look bad by using strawman arguments.

    Also muricans: yeah only voting for shit or shit lite® definitively isn’t a problem and voting 3rd party is throwing away my vote

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      I don’t see tankies/red-browns are leftists. Ultimately they overwhelmingly support authoritarian dictatorships, and that just doesn’t feel very lefty for me

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        Well left/right isn’t authoritarian/libertarian, it’s collectivist economics/individualist economics.

        Authoritarians with collectivist ideals are authoritarian leftists, i.e tankies,

        Libertarians with collectivist ideals are libertarian leftists i.e anarchocommunists,

        Authoritarians with individualist ideals are authoritarian right, i.e monarchism,

        Libertarians with individualist ideals are libertarian right, i.e anarchocapitalism.

        Of course there are more examples of ideologies for each quadrant with varying levels of “auth-lib” or “left-right,” but just to give you some idea of the differences. There’s also auth-lib centers, like National Socialists on the auth side and agorists or anarchoprimativists on the lib side.

        Of course judge all of the above groups to your own accord, but it isn’t as simple as “left means libertarian” unless you think anarchocapitalism is a leftist ideal, which it by definition isn’t.