• marine_mustang@sh.itjust.works
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    38
    arrow-down
    5
    ·
    1 year ago

    Just another example of how Americans will use anything but metric (we do use metric sometimes, I know, it’s just a meme). We could easily measure it in Wh/km, but then we would also have to change how we measure gasoline cars if we want people to make direct comparisons. But, since we sell gas by the gallon, we would also have to change how gas is sold. When the EPA first came up with mpge I thought it was stupid (we don’t buy electricity by the gallon!), but I’ve come around to the convenience of being able to easily compare the two types of fuel. The EPA assumes 1 gallon of gas to contain 33.7 kWh of energy.

    Maybe we should get everyone to switch to Joules for measuring, buying, and selling gasoline and electricity?

    • frezik@midwest.social
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      10
      ·
      1 year ago

      It’s a pretty flawed comparison, though. It assumes a certain amount of fossil fuels being burned at the power plant that’s feeding your electric car. That’s a number that varies a lot between regions, and is bound to change as more and more renewables are spun up. Putting solar panels on your home throws the whole comparison out. It’s nearly useless.

      • turmacar@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        5
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        edit-2
        1 year ago

        Isn’t the point for the consumer to measure their cost? Not the overall efficiency of the production and distribution for each source of fuel?

        Like I buy X gallons per month of gas because my car gets 20 mpg and I dive Y miles. If this electric car uses Z amount of electricity and I still drive Y miles, I’ll save ß dollars.

        • PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          3
          ·
          1 year ago

          It is not really possible for the consumer to calculate their respective mpge, since your specific utlities power mix will differ region by region.

        • frezik@midwest.social
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          2
          ·
          1 year ago

          That’s the idea, but it doesn’t actually do that. Even if it did, the cost would be variable by region, so it’s still imperfect.

    • The Hobbyist@lemmy.zip
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      9
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      edit-2
      1 year ago

      To be fair, even in metric countries in Europe, they use imperial occasionally. This is the case for wheel sizes and display sizes, both usually measured in inches.

      • frezik@midwest.social
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        9
        ·
        1 year ago

        Don’t tell them. Once you start looking for exceptions to “use metric for everything”, you’ll find one in every country, and people get really angry when you point this out. As if not being 100% metric is some kind of moral failing.

        Car tire sizing is a bizarre, design-by-committee thing, though. Diameter is in inches, width is in mm, and sidewall width is a percentage of the width. Why?

    • assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      2
      ·
      edit-2
      1 year ago

      You’re using kWh instead of Joules in your comment. :P

      Joules represent a very small amount of energy. We probably want kWh or kJ. Although, I think just places in the US already use kWh for electricity?

    • cantsurf@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      1 year ago

      It’s not complicated. Mpge allows you to compare energy efficiency vs internal combustion cars. They also provide kWh/100 mi, which allows you to calculate actual cost of operation, depending on how much you pay for a kWh.