I think we’re all a bit disillusioned with it now. I feel like on the 2000’s era internet we all were showing up bright eyed and optimistic about the possibilities. We lived in a world without the internet and having it felt like a superpower. But in the 2010’s and especially around 2016, the misinformation pump got turned on hard and we saw the internet bring some truly sinister real world events to fruition. SEO started getting used more and more through the 2010’s. Social media companies started finding nasty ways to profit off of us by being more selective in what we see. And now this has been the year of enshittification with big companies finally making moves that actively worsen our experiences in order to cash in on a lot of investment money that never turned into anything real. Basically I think what happened is a mixture of people becoming more cynical and the internet becoming over-automated and now this year businesses finally realizing that potential profit is worthless without acting on it.
With all that said though, the Fediverse feels like our chance to finally fight back. Lemmy still only has around 60k monthly active users. We need to try to bring that number up.
Why bring it up? More people rarely add more value past N. I suppose the better question is what is N? I’m loving lemmy right now, do we really need the cesspit that was large subreddits?
Well, for context, Mastodon has around 1.5 million monthly active users. Twitter/Reddit are around 450 million monthly active users. You can enjoy Lemmy’s small size but also see that at 60k monthly active users it hasn’t even reached a size comparable to many other famous small sized forums. I don’t know what N is. I personally think the Fediverse should be the replacement for corporate social media and that social media can be essential in how information spreads through society. It can decide elections. It can shift society’s views on issues. I think it does us a disservice to go the hipster route and cling to our small niche thing and resist growth. The beauty of Lemmy is that there will always be small communities regardless. Anyone who wants a small community need only defederate from the big servers and stick to a small, niche server.
Trump is what they’re pointing out, but I think they’re forgetting all the prior years of complete false information during bush and Obama. This isn’t something just recently popping up, it’s been going on for a while now, Trump just made it a lot louder.
They have very different political takes on international trade and immigration. The neocons and the altright are not the same. Neither are good but they hold different views.
What’s out there now is the same shit that was out there during the build up of the war. You might just be to young to remember it. There were tons of people driving around basically waving the “blow up brown people” flags and immigrants are taking our jobs types. It’s just more in your face now with the internet being more a daily thing.
Im 49. The alt right was a lot smaller because their philosophy of isolation was at odds with the globalist perspectives of the neocons in charge. There were racists but they were not as invested in reactionary politics.
Sure, it was there before Trump. It technically can be traced all the way back to Reagan and the Religious Right movement. We saw it pop up its ugly head from time to time. Newt Gingrich, Rush Limbaugh, Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachmann, the Tea Party movement, and so on. But Trump gave it new life. He redefined the movement into something so much newer and more sinister. To some degree they unshackled themselves from any illusion of actual well-intentioned religion. But most importantly for this conversation, 2016 was the year that they started actually using the internet as a recruitment tool. The alt right went mainstream. I grew up in rural Wisconsin and it’s the year that half the people I knew on social media went rabid conspiracy theory bleeding red Republican. As someone else pointed out, it’s the year that Cambridge Analytica started harvesting data from people on Facebook to use for political campaigning. 2016 was an explosion of what was there before that culminated in the election of Trump. And that’s the year that I really felt the greatest shift in discourse on the internet. The spectacle of 2016 turned everything towards news on social media and away from personal connections.
Yeah. They ran a social media influencing campaign based data aggregated from approx 270 million people. It’s debated on the degree of influence this data had.
One thing is certain though. Around 800 000 people had surrendered their data (admittedly through a seemingly benign Facebook app) to an app posing as just one of your usual fun personality quizzes. This data opened the floodgates through association to about 269 million other people due to the way FB APIs were set up.
This data was then used to create psych profiles that got utilized for targeted advertising.
Two of the biggest campaigns that used this data were Trump 2016 and the Brexit referendum.
I think we’re all a bit disillusioned with it now. I feel like on the 2000’s era internet we all were showing up bright eyed and optimistic about the possibilities. We lived in a world without the internet and having it felt like a superpower. But in the 2010’s and especially around 2016, the misinformation pump got turned on hard and we saw the internet bring some truly sinister real world events to fruition. SEO started getting used more and more through the 2010’s. Social media companies started finding nasty ways to profit off of us by being more selective in what we see. And now this has been the year of enshittification with big companies finally making moves that actively worsen our experiences in order to cash in on a lot of investment money that never turned into anything real. Basically I think what happened is a mixture of people becoming more cynical and the internet becoming over-automated and now this year businesses finally realizing that potential profit is worthless without acting on it.
With all that said though, the Fediverse feels like our chance to finally fight back. Lemmy still only has around 60k monthly active users. We need to try to bring that number up.
Why bring it up? More people rarely add more value past N. I suppose the better question is what is N? I’m loving lemmy right now, do we really need the cesspit that was large subreddits?
Well, for context, Mastodon has around 1.5 million monthly active users. Twitter/Reddit are around 450 million monthly active users. You can enjoy Lemmy’s small size but also see that at 60k monthly active users it hasn’t even reached a size comparable to many other famous small sized forums. I don’t know what N is. I personally think the Fediverse should be the replacement for corporate social media and that social media can be essential in how information spreads through society. It can decide elections. It can shift society’s views on issues. I think it does us a disservice to go the hipster route and cling to our small niche thing and resist growth. The beauty of Lemmy is that there will always be small communities regardless. Anyone who wants a small community need only defederate from the big servers and stick to a small, niche server.
Why 2016 specifically? was there a significant event that happened in that year?
Yes, it all started with a gorilla named “Harambe”…
sheds a single tear as I unzip my trousers
thank you for that anti-black racism
really appreciate having my entire race constantly insulted
What?
Trump is what they’re pointing out, but I think they’re forgetting all the prior years of complete false information during bush and Obama. This isn’t something just recently popping up, it’s been going on for a while now, Trump just made it a lot louder.
There wasn’t an “alt-right” during theGWB era in the USA as what did exist was the nazi fringe. Bannon via Trump made that fringe become mainstream
There wasn’t an alt-right because it was just “the right”. The alt-right now was quite literally just the Conservative party back then in 2001
They have very different political takes on international trade and immigration. The neocons and the altright are not the same. Neither are good but they hold different views.
What’s out there now is the same shit that was out there during the build up of the war. You might just be to young to remember it. There were tons of people driving around basically waving the “blow up brown people” flags and immigrants are taking our jobs types. It’s just more in your face now with the internet being more a daily thing.
Im 49. The alt right was a lot smaller because their philosophy of isolation was at odds with the globalist perspectives of the neocons in charge. There were racists but they were not as invested in reactionary politics.
Sure, it was there before Trump. It technically can be traced all the way back to Reagan and the Religious Right movement. We saw it pop up its ugly head from time to time. Newt Gingrich, Rush Limbaugh, Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachmann, the Tea Party movement, and so on. But Trump gave it new life. He redefined the movement into something so much newer and more sinister. To some degree they unshackled themselves from any illusion of actual well-intentioned religion. But most importantly for this conversation, 2016 was the year that they started actually using the internet as a recruitment tool. The alt right went mainstream. I grew up in rural Wisconsin and it’s the year that half the people I knew on social media went rabid conspiracy theory bleeding red Republican. As someone else pointed out, it’s the year that Cambridge Analytica started harvesting data from people on Facebook to use for political campaigning. 2016 was an explosion of what was there before that culminated in the election of Trump. And that’s the year that I really felt the greatest shift in discourse on the internet. The spectacle of 2016 turned everything towards news on social media and away from personal connections.
Cambridge Analytica scandal maybe?
is that the one related to trump as well?
Yeah. They ran a social media influencing campaign based data aggregated from approx 270 million people. It’s debated on the degree of influence this data had.
One thing is certain though. Around 800 000 people had surrendered their data (admittedly through a seemingly benign Facebook app) to an app posing as just one of your usual fun personality quizzes. This data opened the floodgates through association to about 269 million other people due to the way FB APIs were set up.
This data was then used to create psych profiles that got utilized for targeted advertising.
Two of the biggest campaigns that used this data were Trump 2016 and the Brexit referendum.
So you are proposing we “fight back” by bringing more users, including the ones who are denigrating the internet.
Something something “pot called the kettle black”.