What are our standards? Letting an unlimited number of people into the country per day without any sort of legal process or system? I genuinely don’t understand what people here are arguing for…

The ACLU has no legal leg to stand on here and are just doing performative politics to raise donations. Despite what libertarian “sovereign citizens” would tell you, last time I checked civil liberties don’t include being allowed to travel and live wherever you want without any sort of legal process. Putting a rather generous upper limit of 2,500/day for asylum claims (from non-port border crosses only) isn’t a violation of anybody’s rights.

I would ask ozma the same thing I asked about marijuana policy

Your mistake is thinking that return2ozma is a regular person looking for a nuanced policy debate within the parameters of reality, and not just (at best) some guy who spends every waking hour posting bullshit on lemmy or (at worst) a sock puppet knowingly posting bad-faith arguments as a form of political propaganda.

I don’t know for sure, but I do know that someone who has posted 2550 threads in 11 months (~8 threads/day on average) lives online and should be generally disregarded by any normal, rational person. Ask yourself what kind of person has that much free time to post on reddit/lemmy/social media…

Today’s executive order doesn’t conflict with any of those things.

In fact, all it does it put a temporary limit on extralegal border-crossing asylum claims to 2,500 people per day. So it does not, in fact, “shut down” asylum claims, nor does it increase deportations of people who have been living here.

President Joe Biden on Tuesday signed an executive order that will temporarily shut down asylum requests once the average number of daily encounters tops 2,500 between official ports of entry

Is the United States supposed to take in an unlimited number of unauthorized border-crossers every day?

Is that the way it’s going to go down? The right falsely accuses the left of being for “open borders”, and the left’s response is to actually just take the bait and make that their stance?

Because if that’s the new progressive litmus test (it’s hard to keep up since there seems to be a new one every day) then we have well and truly jumped the shark. Even progressive hero FDR turned away tens of thousands of Jewish Holocaust refugees:

In 1933, and again in 1937, the Roosevelt administration modified the “likely to become a public charge” restriction, but kept it in place. German Jews attempting to immigrate to the United States in the 1930s were still often rejected for economic reasons.

As a result of these legal and administrative obstacles to immigration, less than 20% of the German quota was filled during FDR’s first term. The Roosevelt administration focused on domestic problems, chiefly combatting the Great Depression. Though Americans certainly had information about the threat Nazism posed to German Jews, few could have imagined the persecution would escalate to mass murder. FDR did not take significant action to aid German Jews, either by ordering a diplomatic protest or by publicly supporting increased immigration.

Some people on this website who claim to be “on the left” are now just inventing shit to be mad at Biden for, I guess either because they are really sockpuppet Trump supporters trying to incite division amongst Democrats, or maybe because they simply don’t give a fuck if fascism takes over the US.

He could run from prison, so there’s no deus ex machina here.

When November comes around Americans are either going to be smart enough to reelect Biden or stupid enough to let a convicted felon, serial rapist, election denying, wannabe dictator slob take over the most powerful nation on Earth.

I know what I’m doing. Let’s see if everyone else can pass the basic intelligence test known as “election 2024”.

I’m not so sure…

I went into this trial knowing that it was the least of Trump’s crimes and thinking that some brainwashed cultist would turn it into a hung jury. I was wrong, and instead we ended up with 34 consecutive guilty verdicts in less than 12 hours.

Now Trump is going to be sentenced by a judge who he has repeatedly called disgraceful and corrupt after weeks of sleep shitting through the trial. He has shown zero remorse and zero respect for the law. So other than the mythology of Teflon Don, why should the judge sentence him with anything less than he deserves?

This is only the tip of the iceberg. Trump is a fucking convicted felon and a serial rapist. Fuck him. Now on to sentencing.

Well, kudos to the libertarians for actually showing that some of them actually believe in the things that their party stands for.

Even they are smart enough to understand that Trump is a fucking wannabe fascist dictator.

He lets the worm do the thinking.

Oh, don’t worry, I’m with you. I’m from Oregon, and I can tell you that the people who represent my interests in the House and Senate are specifically not the problem here. (We do have some bad ones in the east, but not in my district.)

a president elected on hope and change

Here’s a little middle school social studies lesson for you: there is a lot more to the government than the President.

Bernie Sanders could be sitting in the Oval Office right now and he’d still be struggling with the political realities that Biden is dealing with today. There would still be multiple wars raging, there would still be Republican obstructionism, there would still be a Republican controlled House and a tied Senate, etc. And I’m willing to bet you would be sitting here commenting on how “disappointing” he ended up being as a progressive…

If you want big, sweeping FDR-style changes, then elect a big sweeping congressional supermajority like FDR had. It’s not rocket science, people like you would rather just shy away from the political reality of getting bills passed in favor of complaining online, and it’s getting boring.

Ok, so… What big, sweeping things are YOU doing to make society better? Where’s your list of accomplishments?

The Democrats don’t have a perfect track record, not even close. But being part of the online peanut gallery of whiners doesn’t get us anywhere. I’m so tired of people who are all commentary and no action, people who aren’t going to be part of progress (big or small) are part of the problem no matter how smug you act about it.

Man I hope you’re the dumbest motherfucker on this website. I don’t think I can take anything worse.

There is a “public comment period” that can last up to 60 days.

So at the latest by the end of the summer. Biden obviously wants to get this done before the election, as he should, because it’ll help him.

It’s crazy that you actually think that’s what this is about.

Brb, going to the dispensary.

We need a better congress, that’s for damn sure.

You engaged with a grand total of 0 of the points that I made. So A+ dodging I guess. Congratulations on being a classic bad faith actor.

Hamas are a terrorist organization that openly advocates for genocide and commits war crimes, murdering civilians in cold blood, taking hostages, operating out of hospitals and aide organizations, and using innocent people as human shields. They have a PR department, and they don’t need any new hires right now, sorry.

The only peaceful, non-genocidal solution to the Israeli-Palestinian war is a two-state solution. Fuck Hamas, fuck Netenyahu, and also to a much lesser extent, fuck you. I didn’t “make a case for genocide”, you did. If you think Hamas are going to go down in history as heroes or freedom fighters, you’re as dumb as you are ignorant of history.

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You didn’t elaborate on what you meant when you said “saying the quiet part out loud”. Can you tell me what you mean by that? I don’t follow.

“Hasn’t managed to solve world peace adequately” is quite the euphemism for “is supporting an ongoing genocide with billions of dollars of weapons.”

Biden is “supporting an ongoing genocide”. He’s doing what every President in modern US history has done by arming Israel because they are (a) our ally and have been since Israel and Palestine were both created, and (b) under attack from multiple groups including Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran.

Since October 7th 2023, Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran have launched well over 11,000 missiles and drones at Iran, the vast majority of which were intercepted and nullified by Israeli defense systems. On top of the 1,500 people that Hamas killed and kidnapped on October 7th, had those missile and drone attacks not been defended against, how many more innocent people do you think could have been killed in this war? Would you have been happy to see thousands of missiles hit Israel as well as what’s going on in Gaza?

I personally feel that we need to put stronger restrictions and conditions on the weapons we send to Israel in light of the war, and they have started doing that, which is good. But let’s not pretend that American defense spending in Israel hasn’t saved thousands of lives and prevented further escalation. Hamas are a terrorist organization founded on an explicit call for genocide against Israeli Jews, and they killed more people on October 7th than Israel is killing per day on average over the last 8 months.

On top of that Biden has spent more money and sent more aide into Gaza than the UN or anyone else… You think Biden is happy about this war? You think he wanted any of this shit to happen, during an election year of all times? C’mon…

Listen, I don’t care what you do, but go ahead and help elect Trump if you want to see what actual, unmitigated genocide in Gaza looks like, because unlike Biden he will not give a single fuck what Netenyahu does to the Palestinians. In fact, just like Trump will do what the oil lobby wants if they give him $1 billion, Trump will be more than happy to help Netenyahu flatten every inch of Gaza if he can get some kind of “deal” (read: bribe) in return.

What do you mean? I don’t follow, so can you elaborate?

Are you really saying that you care more about what happens to people in countries half way across the world in regions that you’ll probably never step foot in than yourself, your country, or the world at large?

So we hand America over to a criminal autocrat because Biden hasn’t managed to solve world peace adequately enough for your liking. Doesn’t make a ton of sense to me. Maybe I’m not understanding something here.

Let’s imagine Trump wins in 2024. He’s leading in a number of polls and Biden’s popularity is down, so there’s a REAL chance…

Who exactly do you think is going to hold him accountable for anything he does at home or abroad?

Congress? (Maybe in some kind of weird scenario where Trump wins the presidency but loses the House and Senate. Not very likely…)

The courts? (Trump has personally appointed 33% of the current SCOTUS, and we have seen that they will tie themselves into knots to do his bidding. Another 33% of SCOTUS are other highly political conservative judges who have proven to be on Trump’s side. And then we have to consider that Trump has also appointed a huge number of judges at every different level of our legal system. They aren’t going to do anything to him, ever.)

And if Netenyahu was to kill every last man, woman, and child in Gaza, do you think a Trump administration would push back even in the slightest? This is a guy who sides with Putin and Kim Jung Un. He does not give a fuck about humanity or anybody’s life other than his own.

I once had hope that someone, somewhere would hold Trump accountable for things like January 6th, but I guess hope doesn’t spring eternal after all because I’m just not seeing it. Trump’s right about one thing: he could shoot a guy on 5th avenue in broad daylight and nothing would happen to him. One third of this country would be evil enough to still vote for him, and another third of the country would be to stupid to hold him accountable.