I guess you’re also a different person when you’re younger than 25 and playing in a punk band with no money, compared to a few years later when you cash in on old glory and gradually develop into more of an old fart with every passing day.

You grow up and you calm down and workin’ for the clampdown.

I think Johnny Rotten just lost his marbles as he got older. Live a long life of saying unfiltered controversial statements and you’ll wake up one day just being an old conservative fart. But at that point he’s hardly a representative of the punk movement.

As for Johnny Ramone… Yeah, point well taken. Still, one could argue it’s at least a different ballpark than the America first Kid Rock lunatics, but it’s meager comfort.

The Misfits and the Smut Peddlars I don’t know well enough to comment on.

I’m sure you’re not wrong, but the song was written for concert goers, not fellow bands. Jello noticed some far right members of the audience and he was not having it.

I can’t really think of any halfway successful right wing punk acts. I guess I wouldn’t trust GG Allin not to vote for Trump.

I guess this is grazelands, and the tree grows the one place animals don’t manage to graze. Pretty neat.

It’s also a big problem many places - grazing can be a huge problem for biodiversity, as it does not threaten old forest, but it keeps new forest from ever getting a chance to grow. So once the old trees die off there will be nothing left unless farming ends.

The problem with Pine is of course that they don’t even try to deliver on software, so their products are only available for end users if the community has made robust software.

Then again, Purism has also struggled to deliver on their promises. A phone made for Android but embraced by the Linux community is probably the easiest way to go.

Haha, yeah - the deonthology hating child in my example came across as a little more reasonable than I perhaps wanted it to.

That said, I’m kind of a fan, even though I agree it’s morally bankrupt. Most of my moral thinking revolves around making up excuses for Kant.

Sounds like just about the kind of argument a filthy literate like yourself would make.

I think a big part of the problem is that liberalism dates back to the 17th century, and western civilisation is kind of built on top of it.

As a result it could fit pretty much anywhere on the political spectrum. I consider myself pretty leftist, but of course I’m a fucking liberal. I take issue with inheritance and I believe in taxing billionaires out of existence, but that’s completely consistent with liberalism. And so is disagreeing with me.

I guess a central thing about liberalism is refusing patriarchalism, which would explain why the stalinists and the trumpists alike get upset by it.

As a non-American with political science training, I think this is key to why I have found this particularly baffling.

It’s like if you were having a casual conversation about pretty much anything and some overgrown child suddenly jumps in and starts screaming you’re a filthy deontologist. Like, uhm, sure, but I’m not sure how that’s relevant, and I also somehow doubt you know what that word means.

I mean… yeah, probably. John Locke is influential as fuck.

I have seen people argue that they will never vote for Harris, because she’s just part of the same rotten establishment etc etc. Mostly from the same people who use liberal as a slur. They seem to be very loud around here.

I might be ignorant though. Have anyone established/respected in the circles around Sanders/the Squad used the term “liberal” in a similar sense? Or is it mostly by faceless folks online?

So when self-proclaimed leftists use as a slur it’s not even in relation to support for private property rights?

I guess, if you’re a proper communist, you could use liberal as a category of leftists who don’t want to abolish property rights. As for the far right crowd, it could be a slur for anyone who doesn’t want to abolish all other rights.

If a self-proclaimed “part of the Democratic coalition” is dismissing whatever arguments you make by weirdly comparing you to John Locke as a slur, chances are they are they are not, in fact, part of the Democratic coalition. The fact that they are borrowing their slurs from the conventional fascists should be telling enough.

They might even share employer.

Genuinely useful. I keep getting called a liberal online as a slur whenever I discuss politics, mostly by the accounts of people who could very well have been on a Russian payroll but are probably just deranged.

I was wondering what the fuck they were on about.

How about we tax multi millionaires enough that billionaires don’t exist?

Wouldn’t be the first time!

I’m gonna guess this is generational.

Maybe it’s an American study. Maybe Americans were more traditional 30-50 years ago than they are now.

40 years ago, maybe Americans of German origins would call their child Arnold or Frank, after their great grandparents or some jazz.

Today, they might go for Noah or Liam, because they’re popular and they think it sounds nice. Social media etc might play a role.

It could also be other factors, like people from a specific region of the country having name A instead of name B combined with other traits, or if the age span of the adults is wider than of the children making it possible to capture time trends in popular names.

If that’s the case, genetics are further removed from naming when these kids were born than when the adults were. In which case the findings make sense, completely without the self fulfilling prophesy part.

At least personally, of all the things that affect who I am as an adult, I’m pretty sure my name is pretty fucking low on the list.

I agree - I think they did something truly great. It was great fun, completely harmless, showcased France and its people, and pissed off a lot of people I don’t care for in the process. And it gave a lot of genuine talents a moment in the spotlight, without ever getting dull or overly traditional.

I can’t read the article beyond the headline, but that’s already hilarious.

Nothing short of legendary.

Yeah, the 1936 was a huge and famously pretty successful propaganda event for Nazi Germany. It might have served as an inspiration for certain other authoritarian regimes.

At least the Chinese and the Russians didn’t upset American sensitivities! Good for them. <3