Exactly where I was going with my question. There would need to be steep penalties for being caught trying to undermine the process. Even if they had made an honest mistake, I feel the individuals holding the power of a prosecutor should be expected to held to a higher standard, and therefore higher consequence.

Not that I agree with you, but what’s your idea of the prosecutor’s consequence? A fine? Firing? Disbarment?

Certainly strikes me how years ago a certain company was constantly touting the electric vehicle platform they made could have basically any shape of car you want on it, and how that went out the window not too long after.

If I were in the market, I would be trying to get my hands on a Microlino. Though I’d probably settle for a Fiat 500 or similar. I do wish there were more competition in that space though. If only the automakers weren’t so driven by profit.

To be easier on your torment the poor-o-metre, one possibility could be to charge a yearly fee for a safety inspection on a personal car, with the fee being scaled by its weight. This way, cars would be safer generally, and people driving a Smart Fortwo would only be out the time it took to get the inspection.

These sorts of inspections are already in place in several countries like the United Kingdom, Japan, and Germany. Some countries also require higher annual registration costs for heavier vehicles, with other places adding inflated street side parking fees. Think of this as sort of an amalgamation of all these things.

The higher the delta between fees for driving a compact car and a large pick up truck is, the more reason people might see in not choosing the F-150. I’m not saying everyone should be cruising around in a Chang Li, but even downsizing the truck lovers to a Chevrolet S-10 would be great. Though of course, the manufacturers would have to make smaller trucks again, which means less profit, and la de da you know how the shareholders feel about that.

Side note, I see people in the summer driving their Jeeps with the doors off. Not my cup of tea but damn if it doesn’t look cool as hell.

Based on your other comments, I’m going to wish you well and hope tomorrow you have a better day. Cheers.

I don’t see that norimee’s initial comment was edited. I do see that your reply to them has been.

This is more of the kind of vehicle I want to see. Roof height low enough the average person car see right over, narrow enough to fit comfortably in a parking space, and the same length as an F-150 with the box chopped off.

I’ve read the root comment a few times and cannot see what you’re huffing about. They didn’t say anything about the creation of the weapons.

The entire comment revolved around the country’s capability of keeping one in functional condition without an accident occurring, as seems to so often happen.

Oh the life insurance thing I had meant health insurance, thinking if you get injured during the burglary, your deductible would still be cheaper than purchasing an entire car. Complete flub on my part.

I’ve certainly changed an entire project based on some thing I didn’t know existed in the hardware store before. Walking around and looking at various things can be useful. In this regard I am an outlier in that I have a cargo trailer for my bike that I do use for bringing home small lumber and odds and ends. Definitely not ideal when I’ve realized I forgot something, but that’s fortunately a rarity.

You mentioned soil. I’m going to guess you’re talking about those bags they have in the garden centre. I can’t think of anything I’ve done where I only needed a few of those personally. The times I needed topsoil or mulch or stone, I’ve just gotten either a yard delivered in one of those square bags, or a larger amount from a tilt truck.

What we disagree on is the grocery store point. While I don’t now, not too long ago I lived in an area where a couple bakeries, a deli, a butcher with weird hours, and a small produce / vegetable market were all within walking distance. This allowed me to pop by on my way home to grab something for the evening. I did this most days, and at most it added ten minutes to my journey. Not hyperbole here, I would take a street or two detour and be in and out in a few minutes with the few things I needed.

Given these places didn’t have parking lots akin to a modern Walmart or Target, it was always easy to get in and out without navigating through a sea of parked sedans making the entrance to the store hundreds of feet from the sidewalk. We didn’t need to do the weekly or biweekly hour or longer trips to the shops. I did that when I was a child and I greatly prefer frequent handfuls of purchases to loading up a trolley.

Kind of like performing oil changes every few months or whenever instead of changing the motor every other year. Maybe not a great analogy but you get my point I’m sure.

Having these huge superstores set up shop and drive the smaller competition out of business isn’t a model I like. I see it as damaging to the local economy, the people that end up having to shop there, and the people that end up working there. Walmart is a prime example of this sort of practice. Even if it’s cheaper in the beginning, it never stays like that.

Despite the disagreements, it is nice to have a chat with someone that’s got a different perspective without the conversation turning ugly. Cheers for that.

Autonomy is enjoyable. I understand keeping a car for that purpose in today’s cities. However, if there were multiple methods of crossing the city in a similar timeframe, keeping a car is a high expense. It is possible to have light rail and bus services in a city where no one waits at any stop more than a few minutes because of the high frequency. Imagine if you had access to a $5 trip across your city in the same time it takes currently to drive. Sure, I’m being idealistic here, but in that scenario, why drive when you can be driven?

I assume you took a look at the page I linked, but if not, the figures that 52% of trips are less than three miles are not of all trips ever taken. They are for daily, regularly occurring, expected trips. This removes from consideration that odd trip out of town, those summer trips to the lumber yard, and certainly the emergency hospital visits.

For all these out of the norm trips, keep your car. With good public transit, you don’t even need to check a schedule. Just hop on something that’s going towards your destination. Use it for your commute, for your trips to see friends, for going out with your spouse. Use the car when something comes up unexpectedly.

I’m not trying to rag on you specifically, but I’ll go over your examples of non regular trips you either make or are prepared for:

Going to get groceries on a whim;

Wouldn’t it be nice to live a few minutes walk from a grocery? Everyone should, given we must eat. Imagine if supermarket departments were instead their own shops, distributed through your neighbourhood.

Bulky purchases;

Not sure what you had in mind, but furniture, major appliances, lumber, yard mulch, garden stones, etc, can all be delivered. Yes, often at a fee, but if you’re buying something like this once or twice a year, it’s well cheaper than a car.

Driving across town to bring someone else to an emergency room;

If you’re talking a scheduled doctors visit, then these aren’t on a moments notice events. As far as actual, proper emergencies go, ignoring the existence of ambulance service, even if you no longer had a car, there’s probably cars around you. I’ve waived a stranger down on the road for a trip to the hospital. I’ve knocked on the door of people I don’t know that had a car in the driveway. By and large, people will help you in such a scenario. I’m also sure that coworkers would offer up their car if a family member wound up in the hospital when you’d ridden a bike to work.

A home burglary

Here I’m at a disadvantage, given I don’t live somewhere the odds of this are even one in a million. I suppose I’ll just say that car ownership for this situation seems more costly than a decent security system and maybe life insurance.

I’ll leave off with the suggestion that if you can broaden your horizons, there are a large number of places in existence today that have multiple methods of local - and even high speed regional - transit where the autonomy and convenience people gain in their lives by not being chained to a personal vehicle is undeniable. Cost savings for the car free citizens; cost savings for the municipality or country; better physical health on average; less pollution; less noise.

Best part about getting people out of cars? Less traffic people who keep their cars.

So long as executives have a fiduciary responsibility to generate returns for the shareholders, they can dust their hands of making decisions that kill customers so long as a profit is made.

Lately I’ve been pointing out that most drives people take regularly are only a mile or two long. It’s a hit and miss argument though. Probably more useful for getting people on board with smaller, lighter, cars than getting them out of cars entirely.

It still takes a few minutes to refuel a 15 gallon tank in a sedan. You don’t have an extra minute or two?

I just had this discussion in another thread. Slow charging isn’t great but most people don’t drive 50+ miles every single day. I found on Tesla’s site they say a standard household outlet gets you 2-3 miles per hour of range. That’s 30 miles or so in the time most people are home overnight.

A 240v connection apparently charges 10x quicker for people that wanted more assurance, but either way, most of time you’d be leaving topped up or close to it. This seems more of an issue for people living in apartment buildings without access to home charging at all.

I wrote elsewhere about the infrastructure problem, but I’ll sum up a couple things. There’s around 200,000 gas stations in the United States. If there were an equivalent number of chargers around, having a small battery would be fine. Eventually this will be the case, but you highlight an important factor: closed ecosystems. All these chargers should work for any make of EV car.

As it stands with now, the need for a subscription or specific car or unique payment method is ludicrous. All these chargers should be required to have card readers the same way you can pay at the pump in a gas station. Beyond this, they’d all need to adopt the same charging method so people don’t need a bunch of adapters in their trunk.

That said, there could be regulations established to require newly built housing, apartment buildings included, to have electric vehicle charging infrastructure - and more than just a few plugs. Grants could be made available for retrofitting existing buildings. If these things came to fruition, we wouldn’t need two hundred thousand charging stations all over the place. It’s not out of the question to install an overnight charging spot for every person that has an electric car - it just costs money.

Basically every argument I’ve seen against low range electric cars is founded in a charging infrastructure problem. Going to a bigger battery in a larger vehicle has significant and more costly ramifications on other infrastructure. It’s better to aim for smaller, lighter vehicles with infrastructure in mind.

That obviously isn’t their position. They don’t own the building they live in nor the business they work for.

The used market is different for EVs than a combustion vehicle. I looked for a BMW i3 a while back and was only finding them halfway across the continent. Maybe that’s because people keep them for longer? Not sure that market has developed enough to know one way or another.

I understand what you mean about the average person getting it, and while that is important, I think the primary issue is the limited selection of small EVs on the market. As you point out, if foreign vehicles could be acquired without the steep cost, more people would drive them. As it stands, domestic automakers don’t want to make anything but twenty foot long SUVs because of the huge profit margins on them.

As far as ebikes go, I am definitely on that boat. Don’t have one myself - call me a traditionalist - but I wish more people would consider them. I agree that in higher temperatures, or humidity which I find worse, it’s uncomfortable. Though the benefit of (maybe idealistically) not having a car payment and associated insurance go a long way to making that discomfort palatable.

Personally, I’ve got a trailer for my bike that I’ve been using to ride 10-15 minutes to the grocery stores and do errands. A time or two I have even gotten some lumber with it from the hardware store. I thought about a specific cargo bike a while back but decided not to have an entire bicycle for that sort of thing. The trailer is smaller anyway.

The safety factor of riding opposed to driving is the most important factor in my mind. It’s dangerous to ride along the side of a multi lane road. Paint doesn’t stop drivers from crossing into a ‘bike lane’. Even a curb or those plastic bollards are insufficient in my mind. I ride nearly primarily on trails or the type of streets that are small enough not to have any painted lines. For busier routes I use the sidewalk or even the boulevard if there is one.

The more people getting on the ebike wagon could cause better riding options to be developed in the area. That’s political though. Even if it doesn’t, it’s one more person taking a trip not in a car, making it a tiny bit safer.

Only one side of the street too.

There’s an historic section of a nearby town which is popular for tourists. Thousands of people a day just walking around all over the place, going shop to shop and whatnot. The whole place has street parking on both sides, a centre turn lane, and 50km/h signage that gets ignored at every opportunity.

Used to be a tram line ran through the town that connected to the neighbouring cities, but oh no, must make room for the private automobile. Luckily some years ago they started charging for parking, and since Covid-19 a dozen spots were given to restaurants and the like for additional outdoor seating.

Such a shock when it turned out a few parking spaces could generate more revenue for businesses when you put people on them instead of cars.

Don’t get me wrong, obviously people like yourself make these long ish trips regularly and you’d benefit either from more range or better infrastructure. If, like gas stations, there were two hundred thousand charging stations sprinkled through the country, less range in the car would be less of a concern.

I know someone from my college days that hung a 100’ cord out her third story window to plug in her little EV. Nissan Leaf or something of that class. Worked like a charm for puttering around town.

I’m sure the data isn’t perfect, but as far as the averages go, it’s accurate for my driving patterns. Those trips you’re taking nearly double your yearly mileage, so that would certainly change your average. Without them though, you wouldn’t be too far off based on what you’ve described. I’m fortunate that I live near a train line for my regular trips out of town. Not an option for the vast majority unfortunately.

Another option a couple I know took was a hybrid. Most of the time they don’t use the engine, but when they go see family or what have you, they’ve got the range they need without having to find a charger. Pretty convenient if you ask me.

Eventually we’ll have charging stations all over, or maybe light rail, and going hundreds of miles in a day without a thought to battery depletion, but I doubt I’ll be around to see it.

A 300 Mi charge would mean if you can’t charge daily, you would be able to go a couple of days without having to do so.

Given most trips are less than 3 miles, if you had a 300 mile range vehicle, that’s about three months of average driving, not a couple of days. My point was that people don’t go on long drives the vast majority of time and don’t more than fifty or so miles of range.

I’ll use Tesla as the example here only because it’s the prominent electric car brand. Directly from them:

A 120 volt outlet will supply 2 to 3 miles of range per hour of charge. If you charge overnight and drive less than 30 to 40 miles per day, this option should meet your typical charging needs.

They go one to say you can get a 10x improvement on the miles per hour when charging from a 240v outlet. Even accounting for installation of a new outlet to the garage or side of the house, this would be far cheaper than buying a vehicle with hundreds of miles of range and using a supercharger every other week.