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So we agree that you calling out “indigenous” a few messages ago was not a great idea?

The Jewish people were “indigenous” to Israel though, so that’s a false equivalency 🤦

Oh, you think Israel defending itself from Hamas means that they’re “occupying Hamas’ territory”?

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You probably meant IDF, dummy.

But good one 🤦

Lol, you’re clearly just going to continue to believe the terrorist organization Hamas isn’t motivated to do what their founding document clearly states they want to do. Instead, you want to “tap out” and try to deflect from their horrible existence by claiming that anyone defending against them is somehow commiting genocide.

If you “organize” your community to support Hamas, you are a fool, and are supportive of their genocidal tendencies.

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Idk, there’s some plausibility to that, but it could also be quite a bit of both.

The history of Hamas could be thought of to start in August of 1988, when they issued the Covenant of the Islamic Resistance Movement.

In this covenant, they state:

“The Islamic Resistance Movement is a distinguished Palestinian movement, whose allegiance is to Allah, and whose way of life is Islam. It strives to raise the banner of Allah over every inch of Palestine.” (Article 6)

“Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.” (Preamble)

“The land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf [Holy Possession] consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgment Day. No one can renounce it or any part, or abandon it or any part of it.” (Article 11)

“Palestine is an Islamic land… Since this is the case, the Liberation of Palestine is an individual duty for every Moslem wherever he may be.” (Article 13)

“The day the enemies usurp part of Moslem land, Jihad becomes the individual duty of every Moslem. In the face of the Jews’ usurpation, it is compulsory that the banner of Jihad be raised.” (Article 15)

“Ranks will close, fighters joining other fighters, and masses everywhere in the Islamic world will come forward in response to the call of duty, loudly proclaiming: ‘Hail to Jihad!’. This cry will reach the heavens and will go on being resounded until liberation is achieved, the invaders vanquished and Allah’s victory comes about.” (Article 33)

“[Peace] initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement… Those conferences are no more than a means to appoint the infidels as arbitrators in the lands of Islam… There is no solution for the Palestinian problem except by Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are but a waste of time, an exercise in futility.” (Article 13)

“The Day of Judgment will not come about until Moslems fight Jews and kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the rocks and trees will cry out: 'O Moslem, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him.” (Article 7)

“The enemies have been scheming for a long time … and have accumulated huge and influential material wealth. With their money, they took control of the world media… With their money they stirred revolutions in various parts of the globe… They stood behind the French Revolution, the Communist Revolution and most of the revolutions we hear about… With their money they formed secret organizations - such as the Freemasons, Rotary Clubs and the Lions - which are spreading around the world, in order to destroy societies and carry out Zionist interests… They stood behind World War I … and formed the League of Nations through which they could rule the world. They were behind World War II, through which they made huge financial gains… There is no war going on anywhere without them having their finger in it.” (Article 22)

“Zionism scheming has no end, and after Palestine, they will covet expansion from the Nile to the Euphrates River. When they have finished digesting the area on which they have laid their hand, they will look forward to more expansion. Their scheme has been laid out in the ‘Protocols of the Elders of Zion’.” (Article 32)

“The HAMAS regards itself the spearhead and the vanguard of the circle of struggle against World Zionism… Islamic groups all over the Arab world should also do the same, since they are best equipped for their future role in the fight against the warmongering Jews.” (Article 32)

I don’t read any of that and think that there’s any way to coexist with Hamas, and if you do, you should seriously reread their stated goals and think again.

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You’re right, history did not start on October 7th.

As a matter of fact, the history of Hamas could be thought of to start in August of 1988, when they issued the Covenant of the Islamic Resistance Movement.

In this covenant, they state:

“The Islamic Resistance Movement is a distinguished Palestinian movement, whose allegiance is to Allah, and whose way of life is Islam. It strives to raise the banner of Allah over every inch of Palestine.” (Article 6)

“Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.” (Preamble)

“The land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf [Holy Possession] consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgment Day. No one can renounce it or any part, or abandon it or any part of it.” (Article 11)

“Palestine is an Islamic land… Since this is the case, the Liberation of Palestine is an individual duty for every Moslem wherever he may be.” (Article 13)

“The day the enemies usurp part of Moslem land, Jihad becomes the individual duty of every Moslem. In the face of the Jews’ usurpation, it is compulsory that the banner of Jihad be raised.” (Article 15)

“Ranks will close, fighters joining other fighters, and masses everywhere in the Islamic world will come forward in response to the call of duty, loudly proclaiming: ‘Hail to Jihad!’. This cry will reach the heavens and will go on being resounded until liberation is achieved, the invaders vanquished and Allah’s victory comes about.” (Article 33)

“[Peace] initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement… Those conferences are no more than a means to appoint the infidels as arbitrators in the lands of Islam… There is no solution for the Palestinian problem except by Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are but a waste of time, an exercise in futility.” (Article 13)

“The Day of Judgment will not come about until Moslems fight Jews and kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the rocks and trees will cry out: 'O Moslem, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him.” (Article 7)

“The enemies have been scheming for a long time … and have accumulated huge and influential material wealth. With their money, they took control of the world media… With their money they stirred revolutions in various parts of the globe… They stood behind the French Revolution, the Communist Revolution and most of the revolutions we hear about… With their money they formed secret organizations - such as the Freemasons, Rotary Clubs and the Lions - which are spreading around the world, in order to destroy societies and carry out Zionist interests… They stood behind World War I … and formed the League of Nations through which they could rule the world. They were behind World War II, through which they made huge financial gains… There is no war going on anywhere without them having their finger in it.” (Article 22)

“Zionism scheming has no end, and after Palestine, they will covet expansion from the Nile to the Euphrates River. When they have finished digesting the area on which they have laid their hand, they will look forward to more expansion. Their scheme has been laid out in the ‘Protocols of the Elders of Zion’.” (Article 32)

“The HAMAS regards itself the spearhead and the vanguard of the circle of struggle against World Zionism… Islamic groups all over the Arab world should also do the same, since they are best equipped for their future role in the fight against the warmongering Jews.” (Article 32)

I don’t see how allowing a genocide by Hamas is “pro-Palestinian”

It’s even more bold calling the homicidal death cult Hamas “one side”. It’s almost as if you are equating an entire people to a terrorist organization, which I very much disagree with.

Hamas is a homicidal death cult, and they should not only be intolerated by modern society, they should probably be eradicated, as they openly desire to eradicate everything that modern society values: life, freedom, equality, equity, and the pursuit of happiness. They want all of that destroyed, and their religulous extremism to be in control. That is why they use Palestinians as literal human shields as they wage their homicidal war on modern society.

And I weep for those human shields that Hamas has gotten killed. And I weep for the Israelis whose families were murdered on October 7th.

But letting Hamas exist only opens up more opportunities for Hamas to kill more human shields and more innocent Israelis.

Alternative title:

Voters who actually vote at the ballot support Israel while not supporting Netanyahu and support Palestinians while not supporting the homicidal death cult known as Hamas

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It’s almost as if being pro-Israel while also being anti-Netenyahu while also being anti-Hamas while also being pro-Palestinian is really popular to those who vote at the ballot box ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

No, I think you misunderstood, and want to turn a very important debate into a pedantic point about sheer ratios without wider context.

Increased gun ownership has been repeatedly shown to increase gun violence. That’s a fact. To say that it’s “responsible” to increase or even maintain the levels of gun ownership is false.

To say or imply that most gun ownership is responsible is like saying that most cigarette smoking is responsible…except when you consider every fucking horrible ill it wreaks upon society.

You shouldn’t run your mouth with false information that is so “very simple and scooped”, because that misses the entire fucking point.

Be less simple, simpleton.

I think you misunderstand.

It’s not important that many gun owners don’t end up allowing their guns to be used to kill children. Your argument is miniscule, inconsequential, and not helpful to the sickness in the US society.

It is important, tantamount, and very relevant that because the US has so many guns, that the leading cause of death to children are the guns.

Idgaf about most gun owners, I care about reducing the number of children being killed.

Why don’t you care about reducing the number of children killed by guns?

The fact that the number one killer of children in the US is guns?

You are asking me how that fact relates to responsible gun ownership?

Think really hard about how those children were killed by those guns, and maybe you can figure it out.

The children who died by guns are either:

1. Killing themselves, meaning that an irresponsible gun owner gave that child access to a gun, either deliberately or not deliberately. Irresponsible!

2. Being killed by the owner of the gun. This one should be self explanatory. It’s irresponsible to use the gun you own to kill a child.

3. Killed by someone with access to someone else’s gun. Again, whoever owned this gun was irresponsible enough to allow their weapon to be accessed by someone else to kill children.

You can’t be this naive.

Assuming you mean the US:

The highest number of gun violence deaths of any developed country 😂🤣🤣🤣

The highest number of children killed as well 😂🤣🤣🤣

The number one killer of children being guns 😂🤣🤣🤣

Yeah, the numbers are definitely NOT in our favor 🤦