• qarbone@lemmy.world
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      9 days ago

      Does the US, as a polity, have a history of non-payment after rendered services?

      That’s more famously a Trump staple.

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        Generally the US is very good about paying back its debts. However, under Trump this hasn’t always been the case…

        This is generally why the US bond market is so heavy in foreign investment, frankly.

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        Yes, the very foundation of the US involved the country not paying its debts to France and Spain for services rendered during its war of independence (see Roderigue Hortalez and Company). It is also a Trump staple, but that is more because Trump is the very incarnation of the essence of the US.

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        That was true 40 years ago. The decline started before Trump, although I’ll certainly grant that he’s one of the worst offenders and has poured jet fuel on the fire.

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        That happens quite often in the Prison labor system, and on a grander scale with Chattel Slavery and a reneged Reconstruction

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          But those tacitly aren’t expected to be reimbursed for labor, so that wasn’t what I was asking about.

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            You don’t think freedmen during reconstruction weren’t expecting to be reimbursed after finally becoming free of chattel slavery?

            The arguments surrounding reparations are based on the formal discussion about many different reparations, and actual land reparations received by African Americans which were later taken away. In 1865, after the Confederate States of America were defeated in the American Civil War, General William Tecumseh Sherman issued Special Field Orders, No. 15 to both “assure the harmony of action in the area of operations”[29] and to solve problems caused by the masses of freed slaves, a temporary plan granting each freed family forty acres of tillable land in the sea islands and around Charleston, South Carolina for the exclusive use of black people who had been enslaved. The army also had a number of unneeded mules which were given to freed slaves. Around 40,000 freed slaves were settled on 400,000 acres (1,600 km2) in Georgia and South Carolina. However after Lincoln was assassinated, President Andrew Johnson reversed the order. The land was returned to its previous owners, and black people were forced to leave. In 1867, Thaddeus Stevens sponsored a bill for the redistribution of land to African Americans, but it did not pass.

            Or that prisoners are frequently victim to an even additional level of wage theft on top of the already cents per hour they earn?

            However, the wages pocketed from labor both within and outside prisons are typically significantly minimized, as prisons deduct as much as 80% of individuals’ wages to cover costs like room and board, court-imposed fines, taxes, and restitution.[22] Individuals are often left with half of their gross pay and an inability to afford basic necessities or contribute to their post-release reintegration efforts.[23] Further exacerbating the problem, the cost of items available in commissaries is steeply marked up—in extreme cases, as much as 600 percent—compared to typical retail prices.[24]

            It was, you just don’t want to recognize it

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              I’ve never held any illusions that black people would ever be made whole from any of the multiple abuses done to them by the USA. Black people have never been “economic peers” to levy expected, financial obligations, just resources to burn through.

              So, I’ll admit that I was unclear and came in with undeclared preconceptions: no, I don’t think black people (in slavery, newly-freed, nor in the prsion system) are expecting to be done right by their incarcerators. So no, there is no “expectation” of payment that is being unmet because the US barely pretended it was a trade.

              Someone else mentioned the colonies reneging on French debts, which is an example of the US making a deal with and witholding (re)payment.