Some people, communicating via satellite phones, have described the attack as the “heaviest bombardment yet,” according to independent journalist Sharif Kouddous.

“People can’t call ambulances or civil defense. We are being bombed in an unprecedented manner,” said an unidentified journalist at a Gaza hospital, according to a translation by The Nation’s Palestinian correspondent, Mohammed El-Kurd. “The sky around us just lights up [with explosions], and no one knows what’s going on.”

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    What exactly is justice in context of a war? And do you realize that absolute justice for all sides means that the war will never end?

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        There can’t be „justice“ for things from the past. Everyone has to heal and make amends. You have to look into the future, so both sides learn to coexist.

        Worked for France and Germany and Worked for the IRA and the UK. Conflicts that lasted centuries (France/Germany) and decades (IRA/UK) were able to get resolved.

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          So you also agree that Israel should immediately cease the siege of Gaza and look toward a diplomatic solution that aims to heal both parties loss. Perhaps a brokered peace and lasting agreement by a neutral 3rd party to finally solve all disputes? I think that’s a wonderful idea.

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            While Hamas ceases fire and releases all hostages unconditionally at the same time of course. sounds like a splendid idea.

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              I believe that’s on the table

              Speaking at the United Nations, Iranian Foreign Minister Hossein Amirabdollahian said that Hamas is ready to release hostages on the condition that 6,000 Palestinians, who are currently in Israeli jails, are released as well.
              “According to our negotiations, Hamas is ready to release civilian prisoners. On the other hand, the world should support the release of 6,000 Palestinians held in Israeli prisons,” he told a meeting of the 193-member General Assembly on the Middle East on Thursday.

              Probably not the preferred outcome, but it stops the killing now

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                That’s not an unconditional release of the hostages - so it’s very unlikely to happen.

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                  There can’t be „justice“ for things from the past. Everyone has to heal and make amends. You have to look into the future, so both sides learn to coexist.

                  Your statement doesn’t jive then.

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                    You make exaggerated statements, by driving arguments to their most extreme (full amends and healing has to happen INSTANTLY/NOW), to pretend that an argument is invalid.

                    The healing and making amends is a process that will take years, if not a decade.

                    Israel will not give in to Hamas demands that stemmed from the October 7 terror attack. This would show EVERY Terror Organization that terror against civilians indeed pays very well.

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              Your right, better to just keep bombing. I meant it more as the neutral party decides but both sides agree up front to abide by the terms of the agreement and have no say in how that neutral party decides. Perhaps protection guarantees are made and loss of claims imposed on any further hostilities?

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                The UNIFIL (neutral peace keeping force) exists in Lebanon since 1978 - and didn’t prevent Hezbollah from becoming the most capable non-government actor in the region, which launches AT missiles on Israeli northern border every single day. Tell us more about neutral parties…

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                  Pack it up everyone. Anything that hasn’t gone right before in the past, means nothing, no matter how different, could ever succeed in the future. Not like there’s any ethnic cleansing or genocides to look back on. Better get going with this totally original “Gaza Remodel”

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                    Just saying that the suggestion for third party peace keeping force is a bit idealistic, and doesn’t have a good track record. So there has to be another way.

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                  If it’s a single country? Maybe Iceland just off the top of the head? I feel like they would do their best to listen to everyone and go over all the data.

                  Maybe some sort of neutral council that expressly uses smaller, non dominate countries, that could vote in secrecy and be protected from the wishes of the international super powers.

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          You say this like there’s never been an attempt at resolving the apartheid state of Israel. There have been many attempts at diplomatic solutions. For the last 30 years, Netanyahu himself has done everything he can to prevent any kind of diplomatic solution from ever happening.

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        If you dont want genocided don’t try and genocide your neighbor. Pretty simple concept really

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      It is errors in justice that make wars grow.

      An excellent example of an error in justice is killing the people next to the people who attacked you. This conflict continues because there’s no clean line connecting an attacker to the retaliation back against that attacker.

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      What exactly is justice in context of a war?

      Whoever wins.

      The war will end when there are no sides left.

      Which is… either when everyone decides to put their differences aside… or when the last man standing finally dies, all tales get forgotten, and all written records destroyed, so nobody can ever pick any of the sides again. They’ll likely pick a different set of sides again, but that will be a different war 🤷