They can’t sell food they don’t have. How can you still be thinking that climate change is going to be like a temporary blip in food supply? Don’t you understand that we’re all fucked? You really think that Brexit and all the rest of the bureaucratic nonsense people have considered important up until now will mean anything when half the population of the planet has starved to death? Don’t you get where we’re headed?
Of course it won’t be “instantaneous” but I still can’t see how brexit will have an impact. The people who experience the first famine will be the same ones who experience the death of billions. Brexit will mean nothing.
I’m curious, would you be willing to put some dates to your expectations?
Year of first famine.
Year that population reaches half of 2025 population.
Year that brexit ceases to be relevant to living people.
None of us can predict that, but I import food for a living so I see us regularly losing out to EU countries who don’t have the same barriers to trade (e.g. The olive and sunflower shortages in the last couple of years that have made prices skyrocket here, but not in mainland Europe). It will be gradual, and we will suffer a painful decline long before other countries in mainland Europe (it’s already happening, but is only really noticeable to regular folks in terms of pricing at the moment).
It will be slow enough that we will see our country decline and suffer shortages whilst other countries are still prospering, and it will be in our lifetimes.
I don’t think we can predict it because no scientist has been able to accurately give a timescale yet. I’ve been a buyer for 10 years and the frequency and scale of crop shortages has grown in that time, so based on that I believe the decline will happen in our lifetimes.
As we get more and more crop shortages, the UK will be (because it already is) the last on the list of countries that other states in the EU want to export to, due to the additonal time and cost of exporting to us. When we’re facing food shortages around the world, the UK will suffer before others.
When we’re facing food shortages around the world, the UK will suffer before others.
Firstly, this doesn’t follow from what preceded it. States in the EU aren’t the only states on the planet that export food.
Secondly, I think I see what you’re trying to say: you think that as the planet slides into famine, the UK will be worse off compared to EU states in particular because during the slide into death, the slope will be ever so slightly steeper than some countries in the EU.
They can’t sell food they don’t have. How can you still be thinking that climate change is going to be like a temporary blip in food supply? Don’t you understand that we’re all fucked? You really think that Brexit and all the rest of the bureaucratic nonsense people have considered important up until now will mean anything when half the population of the planet has starved to death? Don’t you get where we’re headed?
It’s already happening, it will be gradual rather than instantaneous, and we will be the first to suffer.
Of course it won’t be “instantaneous” but I still can’t see how brexit will have an impact. The people who experience the first famine will be the same ones who experience the death of billions. Brexit will mean nothing.
I’m curious, would you be willing to put some dates to your expectations?
None of us can predict that, but I import food for a living so I see us regularly losing out to EU countries who don’t have the same barriers to trade (e.g. The olive and sunflower shortages in the last couple of years that have made prices skyrocket here, but not in mainland Europe). It will be gradual, and we will suffer a painful decline long before other countries in mainland Europe (it’s already happening, but is only really noticeable to regular folks in terms of pricing at the moment).
It will be slow enough that we will see our country decline and suffer shortages whilst other countries are still prospering, and it will be in our lifetimes.
Sure we can. A prediction is stating what we think will happen, not stating what will happen.
What do you mean by “long”?
I don’t think we can predict it because no scientist has been able to accurately give a timescale yet. I’ve been a buyer for 10 years and the frequency and scale of crop shortages has grown in that time, so based on that I believe the decline will happen in our lifetimes.
Ummm…
…that’s a prediction :-)
Here’s mine:
First famine: 2028
World reaching half 2025 population: 2030/31
Year brexit becomes irrelevant: 2028
Again, I’m totally mystified about your focus on brexit.
Ok, I see the angle you’re coming from but I disagree. I think it will be a slow, drawn out but painful decline.
Uhh… eh? What do you mean?
As we get more and more crop shortages, the UK will be (because it already is) the last on the list of countries that other states in the EU want to export to, due to the additonal time and cost of exporting to us. When we’re facing food shortages around the world, the UK will suffer before others.
Firstly, this doesn’t follow from what preceded it. States in the EU aren’t the only states on the planet that export food.
Secondly, I think I see what you’re trying to say: you think that as the planet slides into famine, the UK will be worse off compared to EU states in particular because during the slide into death, the slope will be ever so slightly steeper than some countries in the EU.