Go on bb. Say it with your whole chest. These ellipsis look bad on you. You believe it, say it. Tell us how fascists and liberals are the exact same thing. Go on. We are waiting.
Fascists and liberals are not the exact same thing. Liberals prefer to implement the final solution on a slightly slower timetable and in stages, while fascists are more inclined to just cut loose all undesirables as fast as possible.
IMHO, Liberals (in the American sense, rather than the pure ideology) change the rules to reduce and even remove viable choices, whilst Fascists just directly do the chosing for you.
In other words, Liberals take the posh, pressure-based path to constrain others so that they ultimatelly do what’s best for the Liberal leadership (or suffer if they don’t), whilst Fascists just use Force directly or at best with a thin layer of social acceptability in the form of Laws that make your not doing what they want illegal.
Because of the far more covert nature of the way Liberals force choices on others and the many layers than compose the system they use to do it, unlike with the straightforward lasso-on-the-neck of Fascists many people literally can’t see that they’re being corralled by Liberals into specific choices and think that with Liberals they’re free.
I’m not having that argument again. I understand the position that they were equally bad, and I support the rights of folks who couldn’t vote for either of them because of that. But while I do acknowledge that US imperialism is not just a meme, I had to work with what I was given, and that was bad or less bad. I chose less bad.
I respect that others saw it differently and that’s all I have to say on the matter.
I understand the position that they were equally bad
I don’t. Every single day proves that over and over again. I understand being an idealistic young person with no practical experience, but in those situations the intelligent thing to do is to listen to people and not triple-down on the GRU playbook.
Those who are neither idealistic or young, who couldn’t be arsed to do the one thing that would have helped defeat fascism need to understand what a fuckup they are.
I support the rights of folks who couldn’t vote for either of them because of that. But while I do acknowledge that US imperialism is not just a meme, I had to work with what I was given
Exceedingly well put, I don’t know why that simple little bit of understanding is so impossible for some Harris supporters
Thanks! This topic is a sticky one, it’s easy to get angry (and I have) when everyone has good intentions and those good intentions seem to conflict. I’ve probably been a jerk about it in the past, and in the moment I might be again in the future, but I try to see where folks are coming from when I can.
If you voted for either imperial candidate…
Go on bb. Say it with your whole chest. These ellipsis look bad on you. You believe it, say it. Tell us how fascists and liberals are the exact same thing. Go on. We are waiting.
Fascists and liberals are not the exact same thing. Liberals prefer to implement the final solution on a slightly slower timetable and in stages, while fascists are more inclined to just cut loose all undesirables as fast as possible.
IMHO, Liberals (in the American sense, rather than the pure ideology) change the rules to reduce and even remove viable choices, whilst Fascists just directly do the chosing for you.
In other words, Liberals take the posh, pressure-based path to constrain others so that they ultimatelly do what’s best for the Liberal leadership (or suffer if they don’t), whilst Fascists just use Force directly or at best with a thin layer of social acceptability in the form of Laws that make your not doing what they want illegal.
Because of the far more covert nature of the way Liberals force choices on others and the many layers than compose the system they use to do it, unlike with the straightforward lasso-on-the-neck of Fascists many people literally can’t see that they’re being corralled by Liberals into specific choices and think that with Liberals they’re free.
"The oppressed should work towards their own murder, in solidarity with all the other oppressed folk being murdered!
It won’t stop anyone from being murdered, but it’ll make those of us not in any danger feel really pure 😊"
I’m not having that argument again. I understand the position that they were equally bad, and I support the rights of folks who couldn’t vote for either of them because of that. But while I do acknowledge that US imperialism is not just a meme, I had to work with what I was given, and that was bad or less bad. I chose less bad.
I respect that others saw it differently and that’s all I have to say on the matter.
I don’t. Every single day proves that over and over again. I understand being an idealistic young person with no practical experience, but in those situations the intelligent thing to do is to listen to people and not triple-down on the GRU playbook.
Those who are neither idealistic or young, who couldn’t be arsed to do the one thing that would have helped defeat fascism need to understand what a fuckup they are.
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Exceedingly well put, I don’t know why that simple little bit of understanding is so impossible for some Harris supporters
Thanks! This topic is a sticky one, it’s easy to get angry (and I have) when everyone has good intentions and those good intentions seem to conflict. I’ve probably been a jerk about it in the past, and in the moment I might be again in the future, but I try to see where folks are coming from when I can.