cross-posted from: https://lemmy.zip/post/30934764

The “privacy-first” company surprised its user base when CEO Andy Yen lauded Trump on social media.

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    1 month ago

    This is not an ad
    Enter email to receive emails

    I disagree, Mr Website.

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    30 days ago

    This is what a kleptocratic oligarchy looks like folks. Suck up to the big man and he’ll let you fleece the joint.

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    Cancelled my Proton subscription citing this as the reason. Hope others do the same. This administration is not normal and relations should never be normalized with them.

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      Planning to do the same, but first I have to find an alternative for my mail, probably I will try a self hosted mail server for a while

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        @m105 @Fizz there’s quite a few Swiss mail providers that may be of interest. Self-hosting mail can be a pain as those IPs tend to have a lower threshold for getting blocked/blacklisted. And make sure all your SPF, DKIM etc is fully configured.

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      Yep, did the same. Started using Tuta for email, solid privacy and UI, app available on F-Droid, and the bonus for me was them being powered by renewables.

      The language in the tweet was telling, i.e party of the “little guys” and tagging the president for visibility. You can’t turn a blind eye to all the other destabilizing things this admin is doing just because they made 1 semi-competent cabinet pick (which should be the baseline expectation).

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    The fact that a privacy company based in a non five eyes country is even praising a government - especially one like the US - is a red flag.

    Nevermind the fact that they claim Republicans are anti big tech while being surrounded by tech CEOs…

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    “We’re not liberal or conservative, we’re a secret third thing!(conservative)”

    • They’re swiss.

      We have more parties in our equivalent of the presidential office than you have parties in total.

      I have huge problems with this notion that you have to be either democrat or conservative. They don’t even cover 50% of the opinions I, a green-liberal (actual liberal, not US-definition), hold.

      You’re absolutely able and allowed to have your own opinion different from what any party official says.

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        They were commenting on American politics though. Swiss parties are irrelevant. Supporting Trump is a crazy position no matter what your nationality is or what parties exist in that country.

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        Yes but swiss people can still be absolutely piece of shit human beings. They proved that in WWII by helping fund the Nazis directly. Swiss people also aren’t immune from rampant US party propaganda. You aren’t magical, psychologically different humans than the rest of the world.

        Publicly supporting an openly fascist dictator, whatever “political party” they are on, someone who directly opposes the stated mission and values of the company, means that they are piece of shit humans who cannot be trusted with our data because they will just lie with what they do with it just like how they lied to us about their company values.

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        When commenting on US politics, they should be aware of US political realities though. When taking position relative to US politics, they should be aware of that. At the very least, they should comment that they’re progressive or something along the lines of “Our political orientation isn’t represented in US politics” to acknowledge that, like you did.

        But when your CEO endorses Republicans, pretending you’re neutral isn’t a good look.

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          Don’t forget, Swiss Neutrality is the special kind of neutrality that lets them store gold bullion made from Jewish tooth fillings.

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        Saying someone is swiss isnt the defense you want it to be considering that the swiss helped harbor nazi wealth.

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    I’ve been looking in to degoogling and was considering Protonmail before this. Does anybody know of a good alternative? Espeically one that lets you have multiple email addresses?

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      I have tuta, bitwarden, firefox relay, and libreoffice, seems to work decently. I am also considering getting a mullvald vpn, but not sure how well it works with torrenting, since they no longer support port-forward.

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      I have pretty good experience with Tutanota an bitwarden as the most direct alternatives

      Tutanota apps lack a bit of polish but the UI looks reasonably nice and gets the job done. Bitwarden has treated me pretty well.

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      im using a nextcloud host called murena. you could probably use an equally good one or self host, but i found the free next cloud host sign up tool too buggy to use.

      main draw of next cloud for me is you can use features like third party clients and calendar sharing without having to manually prepare for account downgrade if you want a lower tier, and in fact the only difference between tiers is storage

      note that im not clear how good their encryption is, it seems not to be fully end to end encrypted

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      I bit the bullet this month & bought a domain so I can assign mail handling and change providers without changing my email address. Currently using https://purelymail.com/ because they’re $10/year for as many addresses & domains as you want “within reason.” It’s apparently just one guy with some AWS instances, but it was very straightforward to set up.

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        +1 for purelymail.

        I’ve had my personal domain on gmail and most recently proton. Proton got too pricy when I wanted to add another couple of domains. After some research I landed on purelymail, and it’s been smooth sailing to set up and use.

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      MXroute doesn’t cater to users who require end-to-end encryption, advanced privacy features, or those who need built-in security measures beyond standard email protocols, as it’s primarily focused on reliable email delivery and hosting rather than security-first communication.

      Tuta would be a viable alternative to Proton.

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        No they don’t, but I never switched to proton for that. I switched to proton to get away from iCloud. I also never loved the idea of them keeping my gpg key in the cloud, I can just as easily do e2e with mxroute in a more secure way

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      +1 to mxroute for anyone thinking about it.

      Been using it for a while (and worked with the guy who runs it) and it’s been pretty much perfect.

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    So… we are going to police people’s thoughts/actions/speeches now ?

    Be a bit practical here people, Imagine the right-wingers saying “Oh no, he donated to left wingers, reeeeeeeee

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      Official company announcement, not only personal one.

      Proton has position itself as a service for those who want to avoid big tech spying on them and unfair government prosecution. It is then very charring that they officially support a party that is trying to go out of their way to reduce women/lgbtq rights and invited the whole cabal of big tech as guests of honor to the innaguration.

      If their mission and their messages do not align, it’s normal that customers are concerned.

      I would be concerned of they officially supported any other party, but this case is specially outrageous.

      Be a bit practical here people, Imagine the right-wingers saying “Oh no, he donated to left wingers, reeeeeeeee”

      This might be sarcasm right? They went full reeee with Nike, Gillette, Budweiser, Costco…

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        They did now, didn’t they, I’m simply gonna wait until Trump in his magnificent stupidity tries sanctioning Proton

        Let’s see Andy come out of that

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      Nah… Much better to take the pitchforks out for every little shit one reads in the internet and pretend to be a good guy to accumulate fake internet points.

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          Really, the stupidity of some netizens on these daily “scandals” is astounding. It’s like they’re always looking for something/someone to be upset about. People, nobody cares which service/browser/whatever you use, so no need to announce everywhere that you’re leaving. Just leave.

          For instance: https://lemm.ee/post/53975606

          LOL, jusk ask for alternative, man. No need to put a story behind that.

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    Check my comment history…

    I said this before:

    fucking stop putting all your eggs in one basket, folks

    Mix and match ftw…

    This is not a deal breaker for me but if they keep this up, I will stop using them. And it just one service, so I can easily do it, assholes.

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      This is not a deal breaker for me

      Absolutely disgusting.

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        I mean company backs pro-company party isn’t exactly surprising. You want to not shop at every company that supports Republicans? You’re going to have a hard time finding anywhere to shop in most of the US. Gotta stick to smaller companies, and if you get small enough you’ll get to mom and pop locations where personal votes are the comparison and they’ve voted Republican their entire lives.

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          there’s an entire continuum of political support, and you can choose to draw a line anywhere on it. I think it’s perfectly reasonable to draw that line at outright public endorsement, particularly now with Trump in office.

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          People are reactionaries by nature, they don’t think shit through until they get fucked enough to learn or they die, which ever comes first.

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        the CEO of a company I use for emails expressed a questionable opinion on antitrust issue

        it’s not deal breaker for me

        absolutely disgusting

        If this is absolutely disgusting for you, I guess you have really, really, really high standards, that probably nobody can meet.

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          Not being ok with a rapist insurrectionist grifter felon being in charge of the country is too high a standard?

          🖕

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            Expressing support for a specific person picked, in a specific and narrow context = being OK with etc…? Also, it’s not his country either (like is not mine). As an external observer does it mean that if Trump will do anything (anything at all) that I agree with, even for the broken clock theory, I need to lobotomize myself and not say it, otherwise I am OK with a rapist insurrectionist grifter felon etc. etc.?

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                No, I can read sentences in context, and I learned that the world has 3 dismensions quite early. Maybe it was because I lived in a country with a public school system that works (more or less).

                Anyway, a cult is a cult, and I feel I have nothing to gain from this interaction. Cya.