• doingthestuff@lemy.lol
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    How can you have a society where everyone is equal and free if you don’t define the right of individuals to be equal and free? There are always people and organizations who would give preference to their tribe, whether for well-intentioned or nefarious reasons.

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      How can you have a society where everyone is equal and free if you don’t define the right of individuals to be equal and free

      it seems pretty obvious that we can just observe whether everybody is equal and free, and if somebody is preventing somebody else from being equal or free, tell them to knock it off.

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        and if somebody is preventing somebody else from being equal or free, tell them to knock it off.

        That’s what rights are.

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          no, “rights” are an enlightenment era fiction created by people who were supposedly interested in empiricism, but never bothered to question whether rights exist.

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        When people are told to change their behavior, sometimes their response is just to say fuck off. How could we possibly expect compliance without codifying what they should comply with? How would you deal with conflicting values? As much as governments are the single largest cause of mass murders and deaths, this is the one thing they are good for: defining parameters.

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          How could we possibly expect compliance without codifying what they should comply with?

          none of this necessitates rights

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      There are always people and organizations who would give preference to their tribe, whether for well-intentioned or nefarious reasons.

      you can’t prove this