You anti-AI people are an insufferable cult. It can be used for bad things like health insurance companies, and it can be used for awesome things like this Luigi meme right here.
I mean, I gotta say if you’re at all leftist and don’t see an issue with the potential of AI in the hands of the people it’s currently in, then I don’t know how you square that with your ideals.
Not to mention, this tool, in these hands, in the current state of late stage capitalism is a dangerous, dangerous road. Yeah, AI can make pictures for spreading leftist messages. But you can’t ignore the massive environmental toll it’s taking, the people’s livelihood it’s threatening, and the current paradigm it exists in, making this a very dangerous tool with the potential to be a huge power solidifier for the ruling class. Think US hegemony and the nuke.
It’s neat. But the context makes AI a very volatile next step in the class war.
The comment above you demonstrated exactly the seeing of the potential of AI in wrong hands when they said it “can be used for bad things” like insurance. So the “if you didn’t say what you said, I’d disagree with you” statement you’re making is kinda funny lol
It’s people like you who make me lose hope and realize the left is truly lost. You literally just made a regressive conservative argument, and you dont even know it. Not your fault I guess.
Leftists are progressive. Conservatives are regressive and the foundation to conservativism is tradition, i.e., sticking with what works historically because change is scary.
There’s a new thing (tool, advancement in technology, whatever) that has lots of potential “problems” associated with it. The conservative says "there’s problems with this new thing, therefore lets not do the new thing. Ban it.. The progressive says "yes there’s problems, but the benefits are good so lets do the thing and solve the problems.
When the internal combustion engine was invented. Cars would take away jobs from horse and buggy people. Also, I don’t have to change the oil on my horse. Cars are bad. Ban the automobile. That’s the conservative position. They were wrong. You get my point.
AI is very scary because of what you said and more. It is also potentially very fucking awesome. Very. It could usher in a new paradigm where we could all work less and have more. Period.
You literally argued the conservative “I’m scared” position. The problems are gargantuan. We need to take power from the billionaire so that AI and everything else can benefit all, not just an oligarchic elite.
If you actually care, the only thing you should be arguing for is anti-billionaire, anti capitalism (or minimum very progressive regulation on capitalism), wealth inequality, etc. Not this nonsense about AI generated Luigi memes are iRoNiC!
Your comment is ridiculous and a complete waste of time and energy. Oh well.
And all those incredible leaps in technology you mentioned resulted in even further exploitation of the working class. And the house of cards you constructed has toppled.
Not sure why you keep going around calling yourself a leftist, on a .world account, when your behavior clearly mirrors that of Fed or IDF ops.
In fact, you completely avoided touching on any of the reasons leftists actually dislike AI and went on some weird rant about how leftists are the real conservatives.
And all those incredible leaps in technology you mentioned resulted in even further exploitation of the working class.
So your solution is that we should never have done them? Should’ve stayed in the good ol horse and buggy days? The true leftist would say these could benefit all if we take the power back from the capitalists.
I wrote a wall of text by my argument(s) are simple, and inherently leftist, which I doubt you are or understand.
Arguing anti-AI for a Luigi meme is dumb and distracts from the important leftist arguments (anti billionaire, wealth inequality, anti capitalism).
AI is a technology that could be used for good if used for the benefit of all instead of just capitalist elites and/or oligarchy.
on a .world account
Yikes again. I grabbed a popular instance during the whole reddit migration. Don’t know much about the lemmy instance “personalities”. Is the domain I belong to suppose to define me or something LOL. Jfc dude.
That’s…incredibly reductive. If there were a new machine that whipped slaves automatically so the landowner didn’t have to, would the progressive be for it because it was a technological advancement?
You can’t honestly believe that technological advancements, no matter their use, no matter their owners, no matter who they will hurt, and no matter how quickly it’ll destroy the climate are supported by leftists because they’re progressive.
In the slave-whipping machine example, it would’ve been technology that solidified the existing paradigm without questioning the underlying problems with the system. “Think of all the art the white man can create now that he won’t while away his day overseeing his slaves! Think about how regressive that is!” Exactly like AI. This is a tool that, IN AN ONGOING CLIMATE EMERGENCY, is sucking up the limited available fresh water, using exponential amounts of energy, and is currently in the hands of the ruling class.
Because it can also…what? Make pictures and videos and write things so humans don’t have to use their own creativity? So it can finally eliminate any job that that people actually want to do to find some way to utilize creativity in a disgustingly repressive capitalist society? That’s why we have to accept any technological advancement?
Look at all of the other more recent tech advancements. Cellphone, email, internet, etc. They definitely offer a lot of democratizing tools and creative tools. But…it brought the rise of tech monopolies, unlimited surveillance, new ways to accumulate data to sell. It also upped productivity drastically, and thus profits.
We are living in a world increasingly dominated by tech and it’s all in the hands of the ruling class—they’ve literally turned us and out data into products. It is not “conservative” to say these things are bad. It’s not “conservative” to see the pattern we’ve been following with these tech advancements in the age of tech megacorps, and say “I see where this is going and it’s not great.”
It’s fucking stupid to NOT recognize the pattern and say “but this time it’s gonna be awesome!”
Ridiculous example not even close to AI or what I was arguing. I made no such argument implying progressives support everything new, so fuck right off with this nonsense. AI can absolutely be positive if used for the benefit of all, you know it or you’re a liar.
You can’t honestly believe that technological advancements, no matter their use, no matter their owners, no matter who they will hurt, and no matter how quickly it’ll destroy the climate
Never said or implied anything close to that. You’re in fucking fantasy land.
IN AN ONGOING CLIMATE EMERGENCY
Arguably the power of AI if used correctly could help with this in many ways. Have it help accelerate battery tech, help with nuclear power plants, more efficient solar panels, etc.
Look at all of the other more recent tech advancements
upped productivity drastically, and thus profits
These benefits should be ours, for everyone not just the elite. This is what I’m arguing.
We are living in a world increasingly dominated by tech and it’s all in the hands of the ruling class—they’ve literally turned us and out data into products. It is not “conservative” to say these things are bad
It is though. What do you want to do? Be a hippy living in the forest eating berries? You seem to just have a hatred for anything tech. I want all the tech for the benefit of everyone, not a billionaire elite. Your solution to “just don’t do it” because we don’t have control is stupid. You are a pussy. We need to take control and use it for the benefit of all.
My original comment was simple and still stands. You are making the regressive argument: its got problems therefore don’t do it. I’m arguing we should absolutely do it because it has many amazing implications and possibilities that can benefit everyone.
You anti-AI people are an insufferable cult. It can be used for bad things like health insurance companies, and it can be used for awesome things like this Luigi meme right here.
I mean, I gotta say if you’re at all leftist and don’t see an issue with the potential of AI in the hands of the people it’s currently in, then I don’t know how you square that with your ideals.
Not to mention, this tool, in these hands, in the current state of late stage capitalism is a dangerous, dangerous road. Yeah, AI can make pictures for spreading leftist messages. But you can’t ignore the massive environmental toll it’s taking, the people’s livelihood it’s threatening, and the current paradigm it exists in, making this a very dangerous tool with the potential to be a huge power solidifier for the ruling class. Think US hegemony and the nuke.
It’s neat. But the context makes AI a very volatile next step in the class war.
The comment above you demonstrated exactly the seeing of the potential of AI in wrong hands when they said it “can be used for bad things” like insurance. So the “if you didn’t say what you said, I’d disagree with you” statement you’re making is kinda funny lol
It’s people like you who make me lose hope and realize the left is truly lost. You literally just made a regressive conservative argument, and you dont even know it. Not your fault I guess.
Leftists are progressive. Conservatives are regressive and the foundation to conservativism is tradition, i.e., sticking with what works historically because change is scary.
There’s a new thing (tool, advancement in technology, whatever) that has lots of potential “problems” associated with it. The conservative says "there’s problems with this new thing, therefore lets not do the new thing. Ban it.. The progressive says "yes there’s problems, but the benefits are good so lets do the thing and solve the problems.
When the internal combustion engine was invented. Cars would take away jobs from horse and buggy people. Also, I don’t have to change the oil on my horse. Cars are bad. Ban the automobile. That’s the conservative position. They were wrong. You get my point.
AI is very scary because of what you said and more. It is also potentially very fucking awesome. Very. It could usher in a new paradigm where we could all work less and have more. Period.
You literally argued the conservative “I’m scared” position. The problems are gargantuan. We need to take power from the billionaire so that AI and everything else can benefit all, not just an oligarchic elite.
If you actually care, the only thing you should be arguing for is anti-billionaire, anti capitalism (or minimum very progressive regulation on capitalism), wealth inequality, etc. Not this nonsense about AI generated Luigi memes are iRoNiC!
Your comment is ridiculous and a complete waste of time and energy. Oh well.
And all those incredible leaps in technology you mentioned resulted in even further exploitation of the working class. And the house of cards you constructed has toppled.
Not sure why you keep going around calling yourself a leftist, on a .world account, when your behavior clearly mirrors that of Fed or IDF ops.
In fact, you completely avoided touching on any of the reasons leftists actually dislike AI and went on some weird rant about how leftists are the real conservatives.
Yikes.
So your solution is that we should never have done them? Should’ve stayed in the good ol horse and buggy days? The true leftist would say these could benefit all if we take the power back from the capitalists.
I wrote a wall of text by my argument(s) are simple, and inherently leftist, which I doubt you are or understand.
Yikes again. I grabbed a popular instance during the whole reddit migration. Don’t know much about the lemmy instance “personalities”. Is the domain I belong to suppose to define me or something LOL. Jfc dude.
That’s…incredibly reductive. If there were a new machine that whipped slaves automatically so the landowner didn’t have to, would the progressive be for it because it was a technological advancement?
You can’t honestly believe that technological advancements, no matter their use, no matter their owners, no matter who they will hurt, and no matter how quickly it’ll destroy the climate are supported by leftists because they’re progressive.
In the slave-whipping machine example, it would’ve been technology that solidified the existing paradigm without questioning the underlying problems with the system. “Think of all the art the white man can create now that he won’t while away his day overseeing his slaves! Think about how regressive that is!” Exactly like AI. This is a tool that, IN AN ONGOING CLIMATE EMERGENCY, is sucking up the limited available fresh water, using exponential amounts of energy, and is currently in the hands of the ruling class.
Because it can also…what? Make pictures and videos and write things so humans don’t have to use their own creativity? So it can finally eliminate any job that that people actually want to do to find some way to utilize creativity in a disgustingly repressive capitalist society? That’s why we have to accept any technological advancement?
Look at all of the other more recent tech advancements. Cellphone, email, internet, etc. They definitely offer a lot of democratizing tools and creative tools. But…it brought the rise of tech monopolies, unlimited surveillance, new ways to accumulate data to sell. It also upped productivity drastically, and thus profits.
We are living in a world increasingly dominated by tech and it’s all in the hands of the ruling class—they’ve literally turned us and out data into products. It is not “conservative” to say these things are bad. It’s not “conservative” to see the pattern we’ve been following with these tech advancements in the age of tech megacorps, and say “I see where this is going and it’s not great.”
It’s fucking stupid to NOT recognize the pattern and say “but this time it’s gonna be awesome!”
You’re confused, but whatever.
Ridiculous example not even close to AI or what I was arguing. I made no such argument implying progressives support everything new, so fuck right off with this nonsense. AI can absolutely be positive if used for the benefit of all, you know it or you’re a liar.
Never said or implied anything close to that. You’re in fucking fantasy land.
Arguably the power of AI if used correctly could help with this in many ways. Have it help accelerate battery tech, help with nuclear power plants, more efficient solar panels, etc.
These benefits should be ours, for everyone not just the elite. This is what I’m arguing.
It is though. What do you want to do? Be a hippy living in the forest eating berries? You seem to just have a hatred for anything tech. I want all the tech for the benefit of everyone, not a billionaire elite. Your solution to “just don’t do it” because we don’t have control is stupid. You are a pussy. We need to take control and use it for the benefit of all.
My original comment was simple and still stands. You are making the regressive argument: its got problems therefore don’t do it. I’m arguing we should absolutely do it because it has many amazing implications and possibilities that can benefit everyone.