Are we really trying to make this of all things a generational thing? Why?
It depends on the job, if you have to say open a store then 10 min late is a problem. You have to say make a thing, then 10 mins is not an issue as long as the thing is done.
I have seen people with no respect for other peoples time (so they where late often) and they where not of a single generation but more commonly of a class (the people with means tend to think they can be late).
I used to have to open a fishing pier at 5:30am. A line of angry fisher people at the gate will tighten you up real quick. I let everyone in for free if I was 10 minutes late, but I was more so motivated not to be late.
These were the people who were fishing as a source of food and/or bait for later fishing for food. I got to know them and wasn’t late often because that would be shitty. They got to know me and knew I was working 3 jobs and going to college. So, they were sympathetic when it did happen.
Life, man, turns out it ain’t all simplistic generational platitudes.
even before I wanted to translate that over to “Elon’s dickriders”
For real though, it’s super annoying when people say bs like what you did about things you have a choice over. Dividing by race, bad. Dividing because you decided to get a raised short bed pickup truck with HIDs…well those people chose to be assholes. Same with Matt gaetz supporters of which there are thousands. They chose to support a rapist in multiple elections despite the evidence. I’m cool dividing people up by choices.
In this case parent poster chose to overcommit and the people at his work chose to forgive that. I got no issue with that.
I just can’t agree with that. Your choice of car doesn’t make you a dick head. Maybe a lot of dick head buy teslas, but so do none dickheads. I’ve heard the same thing said about audi drivers, and bmw drivers, and mercedes drivers and range rover drivers. There is no neat little box you can put all dick heads in when it comes to what car they drive. There is no venn diagram that would cover this.
So the car you drive doesn’t make you a dick head. Being a dick head makes you a dick head.
If you’ll note the for real statement, the example I provided was much more specific. If you can find me a single soul on this earth with a raised short-bed w/ hid (or equivalent LED since HIDs are old now) who isn’t an asshole I’ll take it back. But I doubt you’ll be able to.
As for the teslas in particular, I’d say it’s more like 60% than 100% who just don’t know how to drive. And our brains are probability engines.
A guy i work with in IT infrastructure lives on a small farm, he has a raised shortbed (assuming that just means a pickup with the back part that has no roof and three short side and tailgate, sorry the terminology is different in the UK so i had to google what it was so could be wrong) he is genuinely one of the nicest pwople i know. He is super helpful with any new staff that joins the team and is very smart. He uses this pickup on his farm, and it serves a meaningful purpose that is not better served by other means.
So there’s at least one.
Im not going to argue that there arent dickheads driving these things. But i will fight you on saying that its all of them.
That kind of blanket statement is not helpful. I hope you take what i am saying and genuinely think about it because you are coming off as very intolerant.
Sorry. I dont want to start an argument. Would much rather keep this at the discussion level, i just find it hard to convey context, tone, and intent in text form
Its wild that people can think a whole ass batch of people (a generation) thinks being 10 min late to anything is not a bad thing. Like if you show up to meet someone and they are 10 min late, its not the end of the world but if it happens every time you are going to judge that person.
I don’t think jobs should be tied to timecards (I hate time keeping systems, I had to fix some) but to job requirements.
Some examples:
Office work normally does not matter until it does. I once worked in a banks head office and had to at or shortly before 7:30am tell all the ABMs to change to the next business day (this would cause them to go offline briefly) and pull the reports for that day. If I was 10 min late the reports would not be there on time for 8am where they are needed for another task a co worker is expected to do before the bank opens (at 8am in some places).
Any retail store that has some respect for their employees and customers needs people to not be late, showing up 10 min late might just mean rushing to open or relieve some co-worker but that also is likely increasing the risk of accidents. I don’t think its fair that someone gets to work an extra 10 mins or wait to buy whatever for 10 mins just because some one thinks “eh, 10 mins is close enough”
Task based jobs on the other hand (say programming, maintenance, sales, repair centres, etc.) should not really matter as much. When you start is less important then if you meet a deadline when finished. I used to work a job that wanted me to “start” every day at 7:42 AM (we used time units of 1/10th an hour) but would get real pissy when I did not leave my house until 8:30 or so since the stuff I was working on was in places that did not open until 9 or 10 am. They told me I should go to an arbitrary location (a warehouse or McDonalds where the examples they gave) by 7:42am to log in “in order to show I was ready for work”. That was stupid and irrational, so I did not do it. But I would also not show up 10 min late if I could help it for any appointment (work or otherwise) since I value my time and the peoples time I am interacting with.
Oh, I was figuring you would take it right at face value. Not everyone you meet in life will find your weird obsession with time and schedules to be particularly fun or positive, and your personal obsession isn’t how everyone else is gonna live their life just because you want it. Seems simple enough. You’ve taken a very hard line stance on something that wildly large swaths of the population will disagree with you on (whether verbally or just in practice)
It’s a Fortune article. Their whole thing is keeping the class war active and right now a great way to do that is to make the older, capital owning generation, pissed off at the young ones so that they don’t think for a second this whole “widening wealth gap” thing might be unfair and oppressive.
I think the issue is they are not “keeping the class war active” but trying to make the class war into a generational one. I have worked with, for and had worked for me people who are often late and never did I see one age group of people show up more late then another. Hell I have had issues with staff showing up over an hour early and that was only people under 25 so far (not an issue with them doing it, just an issue with feeling I am taking advantage of them).
Sorry yeah I used badly unclear language there you are absolutely correct.
I should have said “It’s a Fortune article. Their whole thing is keeping the class war at less than a simmer. They do this here by providing distracting ammo to fuel other wars and blaming [age/race/gender/migrant status] for economic troubles rather than the true oppressive force that is capital.”
Thanks for understanding what I was trying to say before I even wrote it 😅
In the 80s and 90s, Gen X were coming in late and the Greatest Generation was firing their our asses. It’s generational because every generation becomes more concerned with punctuality.
(e: also it’s literally a study into generational differences. empirical data showing there is a difference in mindset. if you think that’s shitting on boomers then it’s you who made the value judgement in the first place. also if you read the article, if anything, it’s shitting on gen z for not getting work done on time.)
Are we really trying to make this of all things a generational thing? Why?
It depends on the job, if you have to say open a store then 10 min late is a problem. You have to say make a thing, then 10 mins is not an issue as long as the thing is done.
I have seen people with no respect for other peoples time (so they where late often) and they where not of a single generation but more commonly of a class (the people with means tend to think they can be late).
I used to have to open a fishing pier at 5:30am. A line of angry fisher people at the gate will tighten you up real quick. I let everyone in for free if I was 10 minutes late, but I was more so motivated not to be late.
These were the people who were fishing as a source of food and/or bait for later fishing for food. I got to know them and wasn’t late often because that would be shitty. They got to know me and knew I was working 3 jobs and going to college. So, they were sympathetic when it did happen.
Life, man, turns out it ain’t all simplistic generational platitudes.
I wish more people saw the world this way.
Every time someone divides an attitudes by generations.
Every time someone divides driving capabilities by make of car.
Every time someone divides work ethic by race.
Every time someone divides action by class.
There are good people and bad people and everything in between and they are not tied to specific demographics.
You can witness a trend, but it does not define anything.
People are just people.
Tesla drivers are shit tho
even before I wanted to translate that over to “Elon’s dickriders”
For real though, it’s super annoying when people say bs like what you did about things you have a choice over. Dividing by race, bad. Dividing because you decided to get a raised short bed pickup truck with HIDs…well those people chose to be assholes. Same with Matt gaetz supporters of which there are thousands. They chose to support a rapist in multiple elections despite the evidence. I’m cool dividing people up by choices.
In this case parent poster chose to overcommit and the people at his work chose to forgive that. I got no issue with that.
I just can’t agree with that. Your choice of car doesn’t make you a dick head. Maybe a lot of dick head buy teslas, but so do none dickheads. I’ve heard the same thing said about audi drivers, and bmw drivers, and mercedes drivers and range rover drivers. There is no neat little box you can put all dick heads in when it comes to what car they drive. There is no venn diagram that would cover this.
So the car you drive doesn’t make you a dick head. Being a dick head makes you a dick head.
If you’ll note the for real statement, the example I provided was much more specific. If you can find me a single soul on this earth with a raised short-bed w/ hid (or equivalent LED since HIDs are old now) who isn’t an asshole I’ll take it back. But I doubt you’ll be able to.
As for the teslas in particular, I’d say it’s more like 60% than 100% who just don’t know how to drive. And our brains are probability engines.
A guy i work with in IT infrastructure lives on a small farm, he has a raised shortbed (assuming that just means a pickup with the back part that has no roof and three short side and tailgate, sorry the terminology is different in the UK so i had to google what it was so could be wrong) he is genuinely one of the nicest pwople i know. He is super helpful with any new staff that joins the team and is very smart. He uses this pickup on his farm, and it serves a meaningful purpose that is not better served by other means.
So there’s at least one.
Im not going to argue that there arent dickheads driving these things. But i will fight you on saying that its all of them.
That kind of blanket statement is not helpful. I hope you take what i am saying and genuinely think about it because you are coming off as very intolerant.
Sorry. I dont want to start an argument. Would much rather keep this at the discussion level, i just find it hard to convey context, tone, and intent in text form
I am surprised how much this point is lost on the other commenters
Its wild that people can think a whole ass batch of people (a generation) thinks being 10 min late to anything is not a bad thing. Like if you show up to meet someone and they are 10 min late, its not the end of the world but if it happens every time you are going to judge that person.
I don’t think jobs should be tied to timecards (I hate time keeping systems, I had to fix some) but to job requirements.
Some examples: Office work normally does not matter until it does. I once worked in a banks head office and had to at or shortly before 7:30am tell all the ABMs to change to the next business day (this would cause them to go offline briefly) and pull the reports for that day. If I was 10 min late the reports would not be there on time for 8am where they are needed for another task a co worker is expected to do before the bank opens (at 8am in some places).
Any retail store that has some respect for their employees and customers needs people to not be late, showing up 10 min late might just mean rushing to open or relieve some co-worker but that also is likely increasing the risk of accidents. I don’t think its fair that someone gets to work an extra 10 mins or wait to buy whatever for 10 mins just because some one thinks “eh, 10 mins is close enough”
Task based jobs on the other hand (say programming, maintenance, sales, repair centres, etc.) should not really matter as much. When you start is less important then if you meet a deadline when finished. I used to work a job that wanted me to “start” every day at 7:42 AM (we used time units of 1/10th an hour) but would get real pissy when I did not leave my house until 8:30 or so since the stuff I was working on was in places that did not open until 9 or 10 am. They told me I should go to an arbitrary location (a warehouse or McDonalds where the examples they gave) by 7:42am to log in “in order to show I was ready for work”. That was stupid and irrational, so I did not do it. But I would also not show up 10 min late if I could help it for any appointment (work or otherwise) since I value my time and the peoples time I am interacting with.
You seem not fun to be around tbh
Odd response, it is mildly insulting yet brings nothing to the discussion.
Oh, I was figuring you would take it right at face value. Not everyone you meet in life will find your weird obsession with time and schedules to be particularly fun or positive, and your personal obsession isn’t how everyone else is gonna live their life just because you want it. Seems simple enough. You’ve taken a very hard line stance on something that wildly large swaths of the population will disagree with you on (whether verbally or just in practice)
What personal obsession? This is a comment on an article about being late. Did you expect no one to have a time based discussion here?
It’s a Fortune article. Their whole thing is keeping the class war active and right now a great way to do that is to make the older, capital owning generation, pissed off at the young ones so that they don’t think for a second this whole “widening wealth gap” thing might be unfair and oppressive.
I think the issue is they are not “keeping the class war active” but trying to make the class war into a generational one. I have worked with, for and had worked for me people who are often late and never did I see one age group of people show up more late then another. Hell I have had issues with staff showing up over an hour early and that was only people under 25 so far (not an issue with them doing it, just an issue with feeling I am taking advantage of them).
Sorry yeah I used badly unclear language there you are absolutely correct.
I should have said “It’s a Fortune article. Their whole thing is keeping the class war at less than a simmer. They do this here by providing distracting ammo to fuel other wars and blaming [age/race/gender/migrant status] for economic troubles rather than the true oppressive force that is capital.”
Thanks for understanding what I was trying to say before I even wrote it 😅
In the 80s and 90s, Gen X were coming in late and the Greatest Generation was firing their our asses. It’s generational because every generation becomes more concerned with punctuality.
Time clocks have been around since 1888 and people have been getting fired for being late even longer.
Stop trying to make this a generational thing.
Dumb article trying to make laziness a feature (not a bug), and shit on boomers.
Being late is laziness? I don’t think that word means what you think it means.
laziness is a feature, not a bug, and it’s literally how our brains are wired.
(e: also it’s literally a study into generational differences. empirical data showing there is a difference in mindset. if you think that’s shitting on boomers then it’s you who made the value judgement in the first place. also if you read the article, if anything, it’s shitting on gen z for not getting work done on time.)