In the face of ‘eradication’, one trans activist is preparing to fight – and she’s sick of silence and neglect from her supposed allies. Raquel Willis tells Io Dodds why Republican bathroom bans are everybody’s problem

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    I’m exhausted with you dude. You argue vaguely and demand I take a position, then do a line by line breakdown, repeating cyclical arguments about money and elections with zero citations of your own.

    I haven’t made any claims that aren’t inherently true.

    They’ve HAD power since Citizens United. The reality is that though bills are introduced and filibustered (cynically flip-flopping on filibuster rules when in/out of power) they don’t make finance reform a campaign issue. They’ve had chances at alternate voting structures - and they’ve proven via bad faith messaging that they (correctly) view it as a threat to their duopoly hegemony.

    Who is they? Given the context of our discussion I assume you’re referring to democrats. But your first link shows that Democrats voted for the bill to end dark money and republicans voted to block it with a dead even 49 to 49 vote. Even Joe Biden endorsed the bill to end dark money.

    Filibustering is a double edge sword. It is bad when you are trying to pass legislation but good when you are trying to block legislation. Even Bernie uses filibustering. So of course there will be flip flopping depending on the situation. Ending filibustering would allow Trump to pass a lot more legislation. That’s not a conspiracy it’s called foresight.

    You’re 3rd link makes it pretty clear the Democratic Party was only opposed to that bill because it would allow non-democrats to choose primary candidates. So with enough bad actors, Trump or a GOP member could be elected as the democratic candidate and there would be no 2nd party then. That bill was obviously made in bad faith. Maybe you didn’t read your own link?

    The party tried to gaslight voters about the economy, whilst everyone watched their wages freeze amid price increases. New jobs and record S&P growth is a press pool talking point, but a loser in the election.

    They didn’t gaslight anyone. Wages consistently grew throughout the last 4 years. Why lie about that? When Biden took office there were supply chain gaps from Trump not handling Covid. Biden worked to fix them and corporations used them as an excuse to price gouge. Democrats supported unions which raised wages. Corporations increased price gouging to cancel it out. You’re shilling for corporate price gougers by scapegoating the democrats that increased wages when you ignore the fact that those wage increases were cancelled out by more corporate price gouging. Or flat out lie and claim the wage increases never happened.

    Trump’s own shit record in 2016-2020 should have featured much more prominently, alongside a presentation of a new alternative to the changed political and economic landscape.

    Not sure what you’re trying to say here.

    Liz Cheney is not that.

    What does Liz Cheney have to do with the economy? Or are you just repeating the leftist talking point that Liz Cheney hurt Harris’ election. There is no polling or any evidence to support that talking point. It is an obvious attempt to convince democrats to not work with republicans and decrease their chances of winning elections and passing legislation. Never Trumpers can vote too. Why throw away their votes? Because bad faith actors want democrats to throw away votes.

    “Tax credits for small businesses” is not that.

    Harris campaigned on much more than that and as we are about to see when Trump takes office, all the bad faith complaints you are making towards democrats will be worse under Trump. But you only have complaints for democrats which proves you don’t really care about the things you are complaining about. It’s all in bad faith.

    Ginsburg’s replacement should have been a huge battle, after Reid kept the filibuster and set himself up. Barrett’s rubber stamp approval should have equally been a bigger fight, not protest walking out of the Judiciary Committee before a vote while the Republicans still have quorum majority.

    What does this even mean? Do you think Supreme Court justices are elected via wrestling matches? It’s a vote. Before the vote even happens they know if they have enough votes to win or not. That shouldn’t need to be explained. If republicans have the majority of votes they choose the next Supreme Court Justice. Democrats need more seats to choose the justices which means winning more elections. Which they are less likely to do with people like yourself spreading misinformation about them. So again it is clear you are arguing in bad faith.

    Abortion should have been codified into law numerous times in the last 50 years when Dems held a majority - baseline protections are popular, and the Republicans are feeling some of that backlash right now for their fawning to religious fundamentalism.

    This is a single voter issue, which means that if dems codify it into law they lose votes from anti-choice voters that would otherwise vote dem. As we saw with recent elections, republicans won after taking away abortion rights. They arent “feeling some of that backlash” at all. Again, your suggestion would result in less votes and more losses, empowering fascism even more but maybe that’s the goal of your bad faith arguments.

    If this truly is the fight against fascism, why aren’t they fighting on every aspect and angle they can? The MAGAs have an inverse apocalyptic tone and fight dirty, on and off Capitol Hill.

    Because fighting dirty leads to more dirty fighting by normalizing it. Trumps dirty politics lost him the 2020 election. The only reason dems barely lost the 2024 election is because of the high inflation during Bidens term and bad faith actors like yourself spreading misinformation about democrats.

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      Again with the “bad faith” projection, whilst cynically trying to sneak past falsehoods lol

      You’re all over the map. Like I said, Dems tried to reform campaign finance, but got filibustered. Filibuster bad, but also filibuster good somehow? Filibuster is a tool of the minority - ie a directly undemocratic tool. It was undemocratic when Thurmond tried to hold back the hands of the clock and slow the Civil Rights act, it was undemocratic when Republicans blocked campaign finance reform, as it was undemocratic when Mitch blocked Garland.

      That bill was obviously made in bad faith. Maybe you didn’t read your own link?

      You read it, but didn’t comprehend it. The party conflated alternative voting with anti-democratic principles. Open primaries are not a rare thing, but DNC opposition to alternative voting isn’t even though it would peel off more center/moderates who trend republican and isolate extremist voices. Crying about “$hill Stein” whilst demanding fealty and refusing to build broad coalitions (coalitions which delivered strong Democratic electoral results and unified government in the Obama years) is inherently anti-democratic.

      You’re shilling for corporate price gougers by scapegoating the democrats that increased wages when you ignore the fact that those wage increases were cancelled out by more corporate price gouging.

      Again, projection and parroting the party line without proof. Corporations did price gouge and make inflation pervasive and persistent, but inflationary causes are real.

      Or flat out lie and claim the wage increases never happened.

      Because they effectively didn’t. You can’t in one sentence recognize the role of inflation, then link to a graph championing a single dollar/hr increase while inflation was 2-9% year on year. Wages grew in raw dollars, but were outpaced by inflation. Yet here you are harping about how line went up and therefore economy strong.

      I’m not even going to bother with a retort to the rest of your comment, because that’s hat genuinely bad faith argument looks like. I listed some political and extra-political activities that the Dems failed to do or take and you reduce that to “it’s not a wrestling match”.

      From your comments, you’re clearly one of the moderates/liberals who are far more comfortable working with the Republican Party than daring to glance left, even as it costs the Dems traditionally reliable voting blocs who for generations came out faithfully for the Democrat party. Trump swung the Republicans to populism, the Democrats reacted by pulling toward liberal and moderate elites and middle class. Show the people (not the donor class) what a democracy that works for them could look like, and they might come back.

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        You’re all over the map. Like I said, Dems tried to reform campaign finance, but got filibustered. Filibuster bad, *but also filibuster good somehow*? Filibuster is a tool of the minority - ie a directly undemocratic tool. It was undemocratic when Thurmond tried to hold back the hands of the clock and slow the Civil Rights act, it was undemocratic when Republicans blocked campaign finance reform, as it was undemocratic when Mitch blocked Garland.

        Filibustering is a double edge sword. It is bad when you are trying to pass legislation but good when you are trying to block legislation. Even Bernie uses filibustering. So of course there will be flip flopping depending on the situation. Ending filibustering would allow Trump to pass a lot more legislation. That’s not a conspiracy it’s called foresight.

        Filibustering can be ended using cloture with 60 votes. So apparently you consider voting “anti-democratic”.

        You read it, but didn’t comprehend it. The party conflated alternative voting with anti-democratic principles. Open primaries are not a rare thing, but DNC opposition to alternative voting isn’t even though it would peel off more center/moderates who trend republican and isolate extremist voices. Crying about “$hill Stein” whilst demanding fealty and refusing to build broad coalitions (coalitions which delivered strong Democratic electoral results and unified government in the Obama years) is inherently anti-democratic.

        I read it, comprehended it, explained it to you, then you posted a link supporting my argument. You should read your own sources sometime:

        Manipulation and dilution

        Opponents of the open primary believe that the open primary leaves the party nominations vulnerable to manipulation and dilution. First, one party could organize its voters to vote in the other party’s primary and choose the candidate that they most agree with or that they think their party could most easily defeat. Secondly, in the open primary, independent voters can vote in either party. This occurrence may dilute the vote of a particular party and lead to a nominee who does not represent the party’s views.

        Because they effectively didn’t. You can’t in one sentence recognize the role of inflation, then link to a graph championing a single dollar/hr increase while inflation was [2-9% year on year](https://www.statista.com/statistics/244983/projected-inflation-rate-in-the-united-states/). Wages grew in raw dollars, [but were outpaced by inflation](https://www.statista.com/chart/27610/inflation-and-wage-growth-in-the-united-states/). Yet here you are harping about how line went up and therefore economy strong.

        Another bad faith argument. I pointed out that democrats raised wages and called out price gouging. Which is literally everything they can do. You show that you understand wages went up and that you understand corporate price gouging was responsible for canceling out those wage increases, then in the same breath you scape goat democrats for the actions of corporate price gougers. Bad. Faith.

        I’m not even going to bother with a retort to the rest of your comment, because that’s hat genuinely bad faith argument looks like. I listed some political and extra-political activities that the Dems failed to do or take and you reduce that to “it’s not a wrestling match”.

        You have nothing to say because your comments can’t get any more ridiculous than they have already been.

        From your comments, you’re clearly one of the moderates/liberals who are far more comfortable working with the Republican Party than daring to glance left,

        Sorry to break your stereotype of me but I would love for our government to move further left. But I live in reality so I know that for that to happen, voters need to move further left first and as we’ve seen with the 2024 election, voters moved to the right.

        Comfort has nothing to do with it. In order to win elections we have to appeal to more than the left. In order to pass legislation and fix things we have to work with more than just the left. That’s reality.

        Turning our backs on democrats and scapegoating them for the actions of Trump, the GOP and corporations, weakens their chances of winning elections and passing legislation that is in our best interest.

        even as it costs the Dems traditionally [reliable voting blocs](https://www.vox.com/politics/381857/2024-election-black-voters-harris-trump) who for generations came out faithfully for the Democrat party.

        I like how you claim dems are losing traditionally reliable voting blocs by using an article that says the opposite.

        Trump swung the Republicans to populism, the Democrats reacted by pulling toward liberal and moderate elites and middle class. Show the people (not the donor class) what a democracy that works for them could look like, and they might come back.

        Trump swung the republicans to conspiracies and hate that ostracized a lot of republicans. Democrats reacted by trying to earn those votes to prevent fascism from winning another term. The donor class already own our government. The 2024 election may have been our last chance at changing that. But too many people like yourself spread misinformation about the Democratic Party and convinced voters to fuck around. Now we have to find out.

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          You do know that post history is public, right? And yours reads like a DNC bootlicker who exclusively comments in political threads whilst using the entire logical fallacies toolbox to take down heterodox lefties who refuse the “country tracked right” narrative that exonerates the DNC’s failure to read the room economically whilst refusing to get off the corpo/donor money teat. Limiting dark money is a step, even if cynically performative because it hurts the RNC more than them, but they still (like you it seems) accept the core premise of Citizens United that money does belong in politics.

          You either build, or destroy. You choice is pretty clear imo.

          Sorry to break your stereotype of me but I would love for our government to move further left

          Fuckin lol, X to doubt. This you?

          I would love for our government to move further left. But I live in reality

          And there it is people. Dare not dream of better, accept the scraps your political masters demand you accept with gratitude.

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            Like I said. I want our government to move left. The only difference between me and you is you aren’t actually trying to improve anything. You think that by spreading misinformation about democrats (all of which I called out and you’ve had no response to) you will somehow move the Democratic Party left. At least that’s the bad faith argument. In reality what you are doing is handing the government over to the GOP by doing their work for them. But you know that because you’ve made it pretty clear that you’re doing it intentionally.

            You either build, or destroy. You choice is pretty clear imo.

            Right and as I’ve shown, you’re spreading misinformation about democrats and in the process you’re helping the GOP. So it’s pretty clear you’re not building anything.

            Fuckin lol, X to doubt. This you?

            Yeah, and this was also me from the same post, sharing sources from the article in the meme:

            So the writer came to this conclusion after reading [this](https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/05/23/opinion/international-world/centrists-democracy.html) other article that came to it’s conclusions from this:

            I examined the data from the most recent[ ](http://www.worldvaluessurvey.org/WVSDocumentationWV6.jsp)[World Values Survey](http://www.worldvaluessurvey.org/WVSDocumentationWV6.jsp) (2010 to 2014) and[ ](http://www.europeanvaluesstudy.eu/page/survey-2008.html)[European Values Survey](http://www.europeanvaluesstudy.eu/page/survey-2008.html)(2008), two of the most comprehensive studies of public opinion carried out in over 100 countries. The survey asks respondents to place themselves on a spectrum from far left to center to far right. I then plotted the proportion of each group’s support for key democratic institutions. (A copy of my working paper, with a more detailed analysis of the survey data, [can be found here](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1fOGwtRUF-y-98IcDs-3YYrtREl8GbaoH/view).)

            Basically two surveys from over a decade ago that survey people across the planet. Not in the US…

            In other words the writer is trying to present their opinion as fact.

            Gee, I wonder why you would leave out the context. Then again, you don’t even read your own sources so why would you read mine.

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              And like I said, I am tired of this blowhard v blowhard retort trading walls of text. I’m doing this for free, and you’re clearly committed to your path.

              I will though take back the build or destroy, because while I disagree with your premises and approach that we can intelligentsia and market research our way out of authoritarianism/fascism by making moderate appeals, you are building outside Lemmy, albeit your online comments is only serving to reinforce alienation and the navel gazing elites perception by dunking on leftists/progressives. Not everyone who disagrees is a troll/accelerationist - I went to your comments to understand your positions better, and saw the pervasive infantilizing tone, nitpicking, and picking fights without standing tall on anything until challenged. And you doggedly took any challenge to the bitter argumentative end, like we have here, unless your opponent gives up.

              I will however push back on your mischaracterization of me as a troll/GOP shill however - I’m challenging the party’s comfortable narratives because they refuse any meaningful feedback except a bi-yearly electoral acid test. I want them to do better electorally and deny the GOP any space, and that starts with recognizing problems, criticism of errors and mistakes - especially repeated mistakes, shutting out the voice of the people in primaries, and turf wars over district races. “My way or the highway” is a road to ruin, unless you’re willing to wield the fascist tools necessary to enforce that political elitist reality. Build a coalition by including the wings and enforcing that unity from the moderate Dems to support the whole party (and vice versa), not throwing trans/gay/migrant/etc rights under the bus because messaging basic human decent to D+0 districts is harder than it should be.

              That’s the work I expect the party to do if it wants to be a big-tent left wing party that domineers over the left wing political landscape. If it’s more comfortable ceding space rightward to the Overton window, because leftists ‘have no other choice than us’ don’t be surprised when voters see the cynicism and abandon the party. Like over 10 million of them did recently, and gave us Trump again. Otherwise reform the voting structure to permit a coalition that works together, instead of enforcing orthodoxy.

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                your online comments is only serving to reinforce alienation and the navel gazing elites perception by dunking on leftists/progressives

                Leading up to the election there have been a lot of anti-democrat sentiments being brigaded on lemme like “both sides are the same” or “democrats bad, don’t vote/vote 3rd party”. The large majority of which are coming from lemmy.ml, a tankie community that loudly parrots Russia propaganda like “Russia is only defending themselves in Ukraine, etc”. Given the fact that we know Russia has online bots and all we have to do to learn their talking points is go lemmy.ml and given the fact that sowing apathy for democrats reduces voter turnout, it is safe to say that the “leftist” sentiment that democrats = bad are at the very least being amplified by foreign actors.

                I’m not going to let them push their misinformation without calling it out.

                As far as the legitimate progressives that arent bad faith actors that actually want to improve the state of America:

                Voting rewards the majority. Leftists are one of the smallest voting ideologies, so they hold the least amount of power in our democracy. Yet they constantly shit on their allies in the Democratic Party, refuse to work with any other ideologies and claim they know how to win elections better than the DNC. All while they continue to lose elections.

                For leftist/progressives to make any impact on our government, they need to stop shitting in potential allies long enough to increase their numbers.

                I went to your comments to understand your positions better, and saw the pervasive infantilizing tone, nitpicking, and picking fights without standing tall on anything until challenged.

                Tone cannot be read. That is why indicators like “/s” exists because you can’t tell the tone of someone’s tone by reading text. You already have an imaginary version of my voice and attitude as you read those words, based on your own emotions.

                I’m challenging the party’s comfortable narratives because they refuse any meaningful feedback except a bi-yearly electoral acid test. I want them to do better electorally and deny the GOP any space, and that starts with recognizing problems, criticism of errors and mistakes - especially repeated mistakes, shutting out the voice of the people in primaries, and turf wars over district races.

                If leftists had meaningful feedback they would be winning more elections than democrats. For you to know how they can do better electorally you need to already be in a better position electorally.

                not throwing trans/gay/migrant/etc rights under the bus because messaging basic human decent to D+0 districts is harder than it should be.

                This is what I’m talking about. There are communities out there that are very anti trans/gay/migrant/etc. Telling them they are wrong and expecting to win their vote will not work. You have to be willing to work with people you don’t agree with before you can get a chance to change their minds. When democrats do this, leftists act like democrats are condoning those ideologies.

                If it’s more comfortable ceding space rightward to the Overton window, because leftists ‘have no other choice than us’ don’t be surprised when voters see the cynicism and abandon the party. Like over 10 million of them did recently, and gave us Trump again.

                Control over the DNC will not be handed over to leftists. Leftists must win enough elections to take the DNC by numbers. Until that happens, leftists have to court potential allies like the DNC or let their numbers drop.

                Trump only earned 2,282,076 more votes than Harris… less than a quarter of the 10 million you are claiming. If it were for the economic conditions caused by the pandemic Trump would not have won again.

                With that said, I genuinely want our country to move left and if you are genuine then I hope you get what you want and that America is better for it. <3 u bb ttyl