• db0@lemmy.dbzer0.comOP
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    You do know that engineering doesn’t exist independently, right? It comes from humans. And you know what those humans typically are? Workers.

    My point is that capitalism, for all of its failures, does indeed sometimes produce better things. You unequivocally hating on it, for no discernable reason; I I can’t find a reason for that.

    [Citation needed].

    Workers produce better things. Have been doing it before capitalism and will be doing it after. There’s no need for a leecher class above them.

    I’m starting to think you’re not just playing devil’s advocate…

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      How will we educate those workers, in order to produce better things? I guess some “workers” will be smarter than others. More intelligent. Should we send those stupider workers to the fields? Make them work off their stupidity while the genius, better workers invent new machines?

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        blinks

        What does education have to do with anything? How does that even follow towards someone “sending them to the fields”? This is the mother of non-sequiturs…

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          what does education have to do with inventing anything?

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              No, and I never said that I did. Do I think that people are motivated to be educated and create things by capitalism? Yes, of course. It’s provably happened on both of our lifetimes.

              Does that make capitalism the best solution? No. But obviously you’re gonna need to provide more data against it to convince other people. This is a weak argument.

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                Do I think that people are motivated to be educated and create things by capitalism?

                People were motivated to be educated and create things long before capitalism and will be long after capitalism.

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                  Yes, I think I’ve already agreed to that fact. Which brings us back to: how should we pay for those people to be educated? Who should we choose to create things? What should we do with everybody else?

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                    how should we pay for those people to be educated?

                    We don’t have to “pay” to be educated outside of the capitalist system. “Paying” for education is a capitalist thing. In fact, most places outside of the US don’t expect people to pay to be educated. Even within capitalism, various people have found ways to make education and healthcare a public service. Imagine that…

                    Who should we choose to create things?

                    People who want to choose it themselves?

                    What should we do with everybody else?

                    “We” don’t “do” anything with other people.