God damn, I hate him reguardless. But sometimes you forget how absurd it is. He started and endorsed a riot that stormed the capital with gallows, pressured the vice president not to certify an election that was obviously legit. Then supposedly Pence was afraid to get into a ss car because he knew his safety was in question.
That’s fucking insane. It’s fucking insane how obvious it is that he is trying to undermine America and its institutions, its government, its "democracy ". He’s not even trying to hide it. It’s his rallying cry. In the country that his party pretends to love.
And whats even more insane is here we are, in a situation where we are worried about half the country voluntarily wanting it to happen.
I am as apathetic as they come about our broken system. I want the whole thing to burn down and rebuild, but not by handing the keys over to a tyrant. There is no rebuilding after that. Not in my lifetime.
Your lede is sort of buried and is far more telling and scary.
Pence afraid to get in an SS car…
So if we expand on this - Pence was afraid for his life. He was afraid of the very agency sworn to protect him. Despite the potential threat to his life, even today he will not directly speak out against the authoritarianism that led to the situation he found himself in. He will not speak out against trump. The most he has done is simply not endorse trump.
So that’s how completely fucked up the republicans are. You can have your life in the balance as one of the literal highest elected officials in the nation, yet you won’t speak out. You won’t try to stop it from getting worse.
This is no different than Stalin’s regime, Mao’s, or any other uber-dictator that caused millions of deaths in the name of power and control.
I cannot possibly emphasize enough how hell-bent on boot-licking dictatorship the Republican Party must be if this is the case.
Maybe the biggest reason he won’t speak out is because he won’t get reelected. Which is scary in itself. But, let’s not pretend Pence is some sort of Saint. He is evil too.
After not having crimed Trump into a second Term, he has to know that the MAGA crowd would rather hang him than let him have any office while they’re in power. So if getting elected were his primary concern, making sure Trump is not put into power would be Pence’s primary objective. And he’s just laying low, not working against Trump, so we can be sure that getting reelected is either not his goal or he’s more afraid than he is ambitious.
People keep pestering me about how Republicans aren’t literal Nazis when I compare them to literal Nazis.
I don’t want to be judicious and exact about Nazis. I want to freak out and notice when a group starts seeming like Nazis.
So due to the fact that they’re probably going to kill us all now that we hesitated too many times, I’ll say it at last: it’s morally correct to punch people who aren’t freaked out about Nazis.
People who say “they aren’t as bad as the Nazis” always only think about the time after 1934 or even 1939. This, right now is the before-time. Of course they aren’t as bad as the successful, established, in control Nazis yet. But if you look at the time between 1920 and 1933, when the NSDAP wasn’t in power yet, the parallels are terrifying.
not helpful. childish acting out, really. i’ll agree that it’s justifiable to be scared but it’s rarely helpful to act scared and hit people because you can’t make your point to them. regardless if whether your fucked up morality tells you it’s okay, it’s still not helpful, it’s still clearly about your own emotional needs and not about making the world better.
Your opinion is really not helpful, and the only people you’re defending want you dead or subjugated. I’ll agree that it’s rarely helpful to be violent, but fascists aren’t party to any social contract, regardless of your fucked up “pacifism at any cost (to others)” morality. Calling people childish is clearly about your own emotional needs, and not about making the world better.
That’s the point of his bad news smokescreen. There was such turbulence in the media throughout his entire presidency that the majority of the real damage he has done was only noticed by people who actively seek out information. It’s a brilliant way to obfuscate his agenda from the eyes of the passively informed.
Flood the zone with shit
~ Steve “I’ll take a bath when I’m dead” Bannon
I don’t think they were going to kill him. I think their play was to bring him off-site “for his safety” so he couldn’t certify the election, at most a kidnapping.
The whole thing was too noncommittal by the big players in case things went to shit, which it did. They didn’t have the balls to plan out an assassination of the VP.
It might have worked if they had the balls to do that, and other things.
Gallows says they wanted to kill him
The angry mob wanted to kill him, not the orchestrators that would have pull with the USSS. Do you think they were going to drive him out into the mob to the world’s shittiest gallows?
If it ever came out that people in the Trump administration actively participated in a well-defined plot to kill Pence, they would fry. That’s why they sicced the mob on the capital to commit spontaneous violence. Difficult if not impossible to prove conspiracy, and the people getting jail time would be the red hat morons, not the people in charge. Again, they (the orchestrators) were half-hearted cowards that were more concerned with saving themselves if it failed than doing anything to make sure it succeeded, and for this moment in time we should be thankful for that.
Pence declined to endorse him, but is still gonna vote for him anyhow.
The one mystery that hasn’t been answered to my knowledge is why didn’t Pence want to get into the car with Secret Service?
He knew they would whisk him off to a “secure location” and he wouldn’t be able to certify the election. A big part of the Trump plan was for Pence to refuse to certify the election and throw the process into chaos. When he refused to do that they came up with a plan to physically remove him instead. Luckily he was smart enough to see through it.
